Eye Attacks
Original Poster: vladimir
Forum: Hand to Hand Combat
Posted On: 12-11-2005, 15:55
Orginal Post: vladimir: Are there any martial arts that emphasis on eye jabs, strikes, gouges, etc and if so what is it and what are some of the techniques it teaches.
Post: Hengest:
San soo (not to be confused with san shou) is quite good for gouging and what have you. It's anti-grappling methods are pretty interesting, the fighter basically just mauling the incoming grappler, poking, clawing and gouging. I don't know how effective it would be against a determined fighter though.
Bruce Lee's Jun Fan gung fu is also noted for its heavy usage of the lead eye jab.>
Post: Tease T Tickle:
Given the plethora of weapons and techniques at one's disposal, why would you want to emphasize one over another?>
Post: Hengest:
[quote=Tease T Tickle Given the plethora of weapons and techniques at one's disposal, why would you want to emphasize one over another?[/quote
K.I.S.S.
I could learn a multitude of punches, kicks, throws, locks and chokes, but that's not efficient training. Through sparring and experience these can be boiled down to a small number of techniques that cover a large number of bases.
I think this is where the endless "new styles" that have sprung up over the years have gone wrong. How many times do you see an ad for "Master Dave's Integrated Combative System combining the techniques of karate, jujutsu, kenpo, white crane, ch'in na, silat and kali!" or somesuch? Completely pointless. Yeah, it might be a "complete system", but my head's going to be so full of techniques that when it comes to clobberin' time, I'll have been KTFOed before I've actually decided the best technique for the situation.>
Post: Tease T Tickle:
[quote=Hengest K.I.S.S.
I could learn a multitude of punches, kicks, throws, locks and chokes, but that's not efficient training. Through sparring and experience these can be boiled down to a small number of techniques that cover a large number of bases.
[/quote
Yes, but can you really expect to be effective in the multitude of situations that can and will arise using only one or two techniques? Shit, we're talking about eye jabs here, what happens if he's wearing glasses? All you do is bend his frames and piss him off.
Simplicity is important, but neglecting the infinitude of possibility is shortsighted.>
Post: BLACK PANTA:
eye gouges, scrapes, pokes, staring contests. All very effective. Like killing 2 birds with one stone, really, you distract him and injur him.
The techniques can be found in snake hands, dragon/eagle techniques, crane. In KF. If I'm not wrong WC has also focuses quite a bit on eye attacks. Hek really you dont need any training for eye attacks. Just some average eye hand co-ordination (get it, eye/hand......get it.) :I>
Post: vladimir:
Whats are some of the most effective ways to attack someones eyes?
Like I remeber seeing about JKD and they talked about attacking the eyes by using a flicking motion with your hand.>
Post: BLACK PANTA:
two finger jabs, scraping the eyes, almost any eye attack is IMO effective. If you're grappling take your hands grab the sides of his head and push your thumbs into his eyes. That is not nice, not nice at all.>
Post: Tease T Tickle:
While grappling, use the point of the elbow or the chin to press into the eye socket.>
Post: Hengest:
[quote=Tease T Tickle Yes, but can you really expect to be effective in the multitude of situations that can and will arise using only one or two techniques? Shit, we're talking about eye jabs here, what happens if he's wearing glasses? All you do is bend his frames and piss him off.
Simplicity is important, but neglecting the infinitude of possibility is shortsighted.[/quote
Well, I was thinking of more like five or six techniques. Selected properly, that would be enough to cover the vast majority of situations that may arise.
Training for the infinitude of possibility implies an infinitudliness of techniques and that, of course, is impossible. I say stick with simplicity.>
Post: Tease T Tickle:
[quote=Hengest Welll, I was thinking of more like five or six techniques. Selected properly, that would be enough to cover the vast majority of situations that may arise.
Training for the infinitude of possibility implies an infinitudliness of techniques and that, of course, is impossible. I say stick with simplicity.[/quote
Actually, I like to think of it as the end of technique and the rise of the automatic physicalization of principles.>
Post: SAINT:
Close Quaters Combat use eye attacks in close range, and throat. KISS is a good thing, training in simple areas to start with is a good thing, as it becomes second nature to you then to progress into more complexed techniques may be great. but its all down to the individual. I like simple gross motor skill reliant attacks. I have done Kempo, Muay Thai and the extra techniques are still a part of my knowledge base, though i prefer chops to the throat, or eyes and knee disablement.
Thumbs up for anything that works.>
Post: shurite44:
Advantage of an eye attack is of course it can blind the attacker and leave him in pain and defenseless.
Disadvantages are
One, it is the most instinctually protected part of the body.
Two, you better be damn sure the guy deserved it, you can't take it back once you blind someone.
Two leads us to three, most people will hesitate before striking the eyes, due to the viciousness of the attack. Hesitation in self protection can lead to failure.>
Post: richiefish:
Hiya Vlad
there are some questions u ask because of your age that make some of the older chaps on here think u r taking the piss... when you've been training in martial arts for a good while (10 years or more) questions like how do i bite? or how do i eye gouge? seem a bit facile or like youre taking the piss...
however i think your questions are sincere and we should never assume too much! :lol:
click this link or copy and paste into ur browser
http://www.streetfightek.com/eyeattacklesson.html
for a full lesson on attacking the eyes
i will upload a lesson on biting for you as well
cheers
Richie
www.streetfightek.com>
Post: MrPeabody:
WTFBBQ???>
Post: richiefish:
sorry the first lesson on that page doesnt work and it talks about headbutts... all the rest work
im not yet down with internet speak
what is WTFBBQ?
i know this one: LMAO!>
Post: richiefish:
biting lesson:
http://212.67.202.147/~street/bite_lesson.htm>
Post: nbotary:
[quote=richiefish biting lesson:
http://212.67.202.147/~street/bite_lesson.htm[/quote Since you're new here, I'll be nice... Next time send this to Vlad via PM. It's a waste of time for you to post a link on biting when the topic is on eye gouging, especially when you already did it on another thread dealing specifically with biting. :roll:>
Post: richiefish:
sorry!>
Post: km:
i agree 100% with the Saint....>
Post: zed:
i think what you need to ask yourself is why? why would you want to learn that? my sifu taught us some of those things, but would tell us the more we practiced it the higher the chance we would use it when it wasnt nesassary...that might sound dumb, but when you really think about it how many times would you need that? i mean if you're really in a jam i say better to know it than not, but really the chances are that if you overlearn something like an eyejab you might "win" the fight but at what cost? 10 years in prison?.....oh well. that goes for all "kill" shots...better to have it and not need it, than....u know the rest, i would rather break an arm or leg than to blind someone for life for a stupid fight.....(keep in mind that there are always exceptions to anything though, i.e. if attacker has a gun etc.)>
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