How to start off
Original Poster: FinFan13
Forum: Hand to Hand Combat
Posted On: 08-02-2006, 23:12
Orginal Post: FinFan13: What would you guys say is the most effective way to start off your fight? What im basically saying is do you go in throwing punches, go in with a jab, go straight for a takedown etc....
Post: Hengest:
Dialogue. Before a punch has been thrown, the fight has already started in my head. I'll size the opponent/s up and decide the best approach. I might try and talk him down, all the time keeping my hands in a fence or similar position. If that fails, then I'll pop a question, e.g. "Don't you live on Greenstead?", "Are you an Arsenal fan?", "Did I used to work with your mum?". Anything that's a bit out of nowhere. The split second that it takes them to register the question and decide how to respond, BOOM!, left cross. And then I keep punching (and maybe elbowing and butting) until they drop. Then I hold a boot party on their head.>
Post: kajgod:
Very interesting aproach! I'll be sure to try that sometimes... Talking rubbish to make them lose concentration! Great!
I usualy go with a few punches thrown in (the karate-type directs), and finish the fight with a kick in the head (that is- if I'm lucky enough to give just the right kick, if not - i take the opponent on the ground and use my soccer abilities). You should notice that kicking in the head is not your usual weapon for browlin', but I'm a very good and fast kicker. Only those totaly confident in their kicks should do that.
I still can't bring myself to "boot party", and I once got myself beaten up quite badly because of it. The guy I overpowered, but didn't realy finish, went to the city and gathered something like a dozen of his friends, and came back... They weren't half as forgiving towards me, as I was towards him. Bastards.>
Post: zefff:
asking a random question can work well but you have to have already pulled the trigger in your head so you hit them straight away after you ask it. If you havent mentally said "okay I gonna fight now" you might hesitate when you see him engage the question in his mind. And if the guy you ask is a veteran then he might attack you first. The aim of the question is to give you a window to hit him first. The window isnt very long.
its a good tactic but you have to guage who the tactic may and may not work against...same as any other.>
Post: bamboo:
Hopefuly you see the fight coming.
Most fights that I've seen had a fairly explosive beginning- ie. suckerpuch or an attack to the back when the situation was "resolved".
In a real fight (thus the title of the forum), there really is no preperation, as hengest pointed out, there can be dialogue and you can use that to your advantage.
As far as actual prep time...well thats the training we're supposed to be doing. H2H=action/reaction not "Hmmmm, shall i round kick him to the left knee and then throw a lead followed by a double leg...">
Post: Tease T Tickle:
My opening to a conflict is to stay unobtrusive to the people around me, to stay silent and out of the way. If I need to fight, they're unlikely to notice me coming. If I don't need to fight, then I won't get dragged into one. Think ninja, but try not to totally flip out and kill a whole town because a guy in the diner dropped his fork.>
Post: sib3rian:
the way to ask somebody a random question is great but i usualy attack explosive and fake straight punch. but the punch miss his head and grab his neck und pull him down in the near of my knee where i can kick him bad. but this is only one way to start. you have to change your moves. i learn everyday another combo!>
Post: jlambvo:
Why would you be starting an unarmed fight with someone, face to face, where he knows its coming, that isn't entirely a matter of pride/ego?
Presupposing it IS unavoidable for whatever reason, the first thing I think you should be worrying about is getting into a position where you can control the space, whether it be outside (flanking, which effectively eliminates half his striking surfaces) or inside--e.g. getting your lead toe/knee/hip/shoulder line pointing to his body's centerline gives you better reach than him, which means more time to intercept and block as you end up inevitably trading blows. Every bit that he has to extend or break his posture means that he loses power, and most street fights are decided by the first real blow (mostly because any semblence of form breaks down immediately thereafter).
So basically open by moving to places where even if you are advancing he constantly needs to at least break his posture to "chase" you. Pretty much anything beyond that is circumstantial.>
Post: 8LimbsScientist:
If its a potential fight on the street where you're just talking and some guy is getting agitated just find some way to diffuse the situation or walk away. Its dumb to fight in the streets unless you have no choice when there are so many things that can go wrong. Even if you kick his ass, I've heard of people in my city getting killed because the back of their head cracked on the pavement after being KTFO in a street fight. Not worth the risk of dying or killing someone IMO.
But if you have no other choice then it depends on the circumstances. If someone just suckerpunches you then you're already in the thick of it, and you just have to fight.
On the other hand, if your outside striking range and you are trying to figure out how to set up strikes, I like to come in with jabs in order to set up the cross, or as a distraction to hide the leg kick.
But the thing is that your going to do what feels right, regardless. In some situations you might feel the best thing to do is just to throw a hard roundkick to the ribs with no setup. In other times you would know that'd be a dumb thing to do. Best thing to do is just to spar and keep training so you can learn to recognize these opportunities.>
Post: SAINT:
Deception is the key. A faint, a sucker, a side step, your face, your posture, anything that will decieve your intention is a pathway to victory.
Deception is the way to a win. It works in chess, on the sports field and online gaming, fighting is no difference.>
Post: Tease T Tickle:
[quote=SAINT It works in chess, on the sports field and online gaming, fighting is no difference.[/quote
You sure about that?>
Post: vladimir:
[quote=Tease T Tickle [quote=SAINT It works in chess, on the sports field and online gaming, fighting is no difference.[/quote
You sure about that?[/quote
Now aren't you a bright one?>
Post: Tease T Tickle:
Yes. I am.>
Post: XxXMaverick:
IF you have a Nice/ semi flexible body, Then just run at them yelling and tackle them. Use your body strength to your advantage. All those years u spent in the gym to be a good fighter could all Be fucked by a lucky punch from a skinny kid with long arms. Wrestle them then get to your dominent position and take advantage. The fight will be over soon.>
Post: Twitch:
[quote=XxXMaverick IF you have a Nice/ semi flexible body, Then just run at them yelling and tackle them. Use your body strength to your advantage. All those years u spent in the gym to be a good fighter could all Be fucked by a lucky punch from a skinny kid with long arms. Wrestle them then get to your dominent position and take advantage. The fight will be over soon.[/quote
Wrestle, irl? Isn't that dangerous? There could be broken glass, or other debri (sp?) lying around.>
Post: JH:
[quote=Twitch [quote=XxXMaverick IF you have a Nice/ semi flexible body, Then just run at them yelling and tackle them. Use your body strength to your advantage. All those years u spent in the gym to be a good fighter could all Be fucked by a lucky punch from a skinny kid with long arms. Wrestle them then get to your dominent position and take advantage. The fight will be over soon.[/quote
Wrestle, irl? Isn't that dangerous? There could be broken glass, or other debri (sp?) lying around.[/quote
If you're a superior grappler then you'll probably be able to get top position, then the glass is your opponents problem.>
Post: Twitch:
[quote=JH [quote=Twitch [quote=XxXMaverick IF you have a Nice/ semi flexible body, Then just run at them yelling and tackle them. Use your body strength to your advantage. All those years u spent in the gym to be a good fighter could all Be fucked by a lucky punch from a skinny kid with long arms. Wrestle them then get to your dominent position and take advantage. The fight will be over soon.[/quote
Wrestle, irl? Isn't that dangerous? There could be broken glass, or other debri (sp?) lying around.[/quote
If you're a superior grappler then you'll probably be able to get top position, then the glass is your opponents problem.[/quote
But why even take the chance that you'll pass his (or her) guard? It's an option, but not a viable one.
Oh, we are assuiming that it starts standing up, right? If someone wants to hurt you, just knock them out. But if it is on the ground, than I agree with you, side control is needed to be on top.>
Post: JH:
Quote: Oh, we are assuiming that it starts standing up, right? If someone wants to hurt you, just knock them out. But if it is on the ground, than I agree with you, side control is needed to be on top.
If your opponent is a good striker you may need to take him to the ground, but if you can beat him standing then you should do so.>
Post: Twitch:
I've two things; the striker is usually screwed when a grappler grabs him, why? Because he's a grappler.
Second, the grappler may get screwed if he get's knocked out, why? Because a striker knocked him out.
See?
That's common sense for the most part.>
Post: Fenix:
Soccerkick to the groin followed up with knees.*
*Not battle tested.>
Post: StreetWarrior:
It would be diferent in every situation. Whether you want to severly hurt someone or just get them to go away. Why are you starting the fight in the first place etc. I personally would want to end the fight asap so to start it would definatley entail a power strike to a vunerable point of the opponent. A generic vunerable point (if you dont know your opponent) is obviously the groin. The eyes and throat or jaw are also good but you may not be able to reach them on a taller opponent. Im pretty sure most people can kick almost anyone else in the groin. Follow up quickly with knock out punches or if your adept in the area, grappling eg choke holds or bone breakers to make sure they stay out of commission so that you can get away relatively unscathed.>
Post: SatansAngel:
I think it really depends on the situation....like for me if they just walk up 2 me and start pushing me I just tell them that their about 2 make the biggest mistake in their life if they push me again then I just start swinging and dont stop until someone pulls me off of him...But in any situation I dont stop...I hope this helps because it has for me.>
Post: mlr45gunnr:
Closest weapon to closest target later rinse repeat as quickly as possible.>
Post: Tapout95:
I still go with "being the bigger man." Why not just walk away from the fight and not have to worry about how you're going to fight the person. Anyway, i doubt anyone will really be able to tell if this opponent is a good striker or grappler just from sight. You could end up really hurting yourself, especially if the guy has a knife or other weapon. Better a broken pride then a stab wound in the neck I say.>
Post: Tapout95:
Jeez, didn't even look at the date. Posted on a dead topic.>
Post: GrappleToWin:
who gives a damn if theres broken glass if the kid sucker punches u then theres no time to do any lookin on the ground. if ur kinda tall but strong then just throw a few jabs and change position alot switch style too go south paw then go to righty, if ur alot stronger then them and good at grappling take them down mount them then proceed to smash tehm lol>
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