Killing In Hand-to-Hand Combat
Original Poster: vladimir
Forum: Hand to Hand Combat
Posted On: 10-02-2006, 04:09
Orginal Post: vladimir: Generally in a hand-to-hand combat situation in which the enemy has to be killed, is it usually more effective to strike at nerve motor points and finish off the enemy while he?s stunned or to focus all your attacks at a vital target such as the head or throat as soon as the fight begins?
Post: Iron Knuckles:
My guess would be whatever oppurtunity presents itself. If he's got his guard down, it wouldn't make a whole lot of sense to go for a kidney shot. If you have an in for a RNC or a neck break or something, it's probably not the best idea to keep punching him in the back of the head.>
Post: angryrocker4:
You go for the most efficient target, why screw with a nerve when a head shot will keep him stunned while accomplishing the goal?>
Post: Tease T Tickle:
stunning shots won't work on a guy who's juiced up and ready to fight. I had to break up a fight between a couple guys at a party, Guy A kept blasting away at Guy B's solar plexus and floating ribs, Guy B wound up headbutting Guy A a couple times and dude was loopy when I stood him up. He would've failed a field sobriety test if the cops pulled him over, and it was all from headbutts.
Moral of the story, you want to keep a guy stunned and unable to resist? You knock him senseless with powershots to the head. Forget the "nerve motor point" crap.>
Post: samurai6string:
"coup force," and "counter-coup force." A coup force injury is blunt trauma to the brain immediately below the surface of the impact. Counter coup is the movement of the brain AWAY from the point of impact, causing it to collide with the interior of the skull opposite the injury. Either one results in a stretching or tearing force applied to the nerve fibers, and damages the axons, this is called diffuse axonal injury. DAI can range from mild to severe. A concussion is a mild DIA with no underlying damage, if the cerebral cortex or reticular activating system is affected, the result is unconsciousness, or a knock out.
Sorry, I just quoted myself from another post, but it is valid here. Does that make me a total douche? :)>
Post: angryrocker4:
No, using big words does. :)>
Post: samurai6string:
hehe, I'm a Nuclear Med major, i just had an anatomy and physiology class taught by the head of our county's EMTs. It was an off campus class with a focus on emergency response, so head trauma was covered early, often and in-depth. :)
Think Troy Aikman, or any other football player who starts having many, many concusions and this is what is happening in their brain. :)>
Post: BLACK PANTA:
so wait.......y'all are saying the touch of death dont work....You couldn't tell me this b4 i payed $300?>
Post: misterHighspeed:
dude youd have to hit someone with a blunt object before creating that particular kind of head trauma in my opinion and from what i heard to take someone out varys from the situation but id personally go with incapacitaing the opponent (ex breaking arms ,striking a vital point ie the eyes, or sucking it up and taking a couple hits to get close enough for a take down inwhich time theyll get an axe kick to there nasal bone or sternum and then determining whether to finish em if nessessary>
Post: samurai6string:
MisterHighSpeed> sorry, but you are very wrong here. The kind of trauma I'm talking about can be inflicted with a very tiny high velocity item like a golf ball, small rock, hell even an orange, so very easily by a fist, a palm, throwing someone on their head, or just whipping their neck or a nice smack to the back of the neck. As I mentioned, I'm a student and worker in the medical field, so I think you have to defer to what I said, especially since it came right out of a text, and was verified by a neurologist where I work. :roll:
your brain floats around inside your skull suspended in cerebral fluid, like the die in a magic eight ball, it's not that hard to make it slosh around.
BTW, what you are talking about (blunt object) would be called "diffuse cerebral trauma.">
Post: shurite44:
[quote=samurai6string MisterHighSpeed> sorry, but you are very wrong here. The kind of trauma I'm talking about can be inflicted with a very tiny high velocity item like a golf ball, small rock, hell even an orange, so very easily by a fist, a palm, throwing someone on their head, or just whipping their neck or a nice smack to the back of the neck. As I mentioned, I'm a student and worker in the medical field, so I think you have to defer to what I said, especially since it came right out of a text, and was verified by a neurologist where I work. :roll:
your brain floats around inside your skull suspended in cerebral fluid, like the die in a magic eight ball, it's not that hard to make it slosh around.
BTW, what you are talking about (blunt object) would be called "diffuse cerebral trauma."[/quote
You are correct. I remember when I was a kid, we had a set of World Book Encyclopedias. They had some pictures of the brain at the moment of impact from a punch with a boxing glove on. Not sure how they did it, something like an X-ray. Anyway the brain flattened out on the front and then the rear of the skull, then sort of vibrated out of shape until it stopped.>
Post: shurite44:
Well I have never had to kill anyone with my hands. I had to subdue and knock out a few people though. Basically once you have gotten that far (subdued or knocked out) killing someone is more a mental feat rather than physical. Finish with a choke would be my method of choice.>
Post: samurai6string:
Thanks for the back-up Shurite. :) I agree with you as well that there is more of a mental block to killing rather than anything physical. Sort of like how it's all well and good to talk about striking the eyes or digging into an eye-socket, and quite another to actually continue to do so once you feel someone's eyeball on your thumb.>
Post: Gazelle:
I can imagine what it would feel like, but i couldn't imagine me actually ever physically doing it, if that makes sense, and talking about it brings that exact same feeling. I'd be rubbish in a real fight!
Samuri6string, did you quote all that from a book?>
Post: samurai6string:
the part above about coup force? I admit I had to reference one of my anatomy texts just to make sure I had the part about the reticular activating system right...but in the class that I had head trauma was beat into us (no pun intended) so I'll probably remember that stuff untill I'm crapping myself in a retirement home.>
Post: Gazelle:
I asked because i thought you should be able to state that from memory, and it was quite clearly explained (i've never read a med. text, but i suppose that might be reason enough to make me think you wrote it)! There isn't that much information there anyway.>
Post: samurai6string:
oh, thanks.....I think>
Post: Gazelle:
Sorry, that wasn't entirely well written. My point was that it was very clearly explained, and that i was glad you did write it, because i thought that you should be able to recite it from memory.>
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