Knife attacks
Original Poster: EscrimaConcepts
Forum: Hand to Hand Combat
Posted On: 13-03-2006, 08:29
Orginal Post: EscrimaConcepts: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:
Something to think about................
If someone pulls a knife on you there are three aspects:
A trained fighter with a knife: You lose all day long, you could be the best fighter in the world, you aint controlling that knife.
The only time you may win is that you have a longer weapon or gun.
A muppet with a knife: These people hardly have any understanding of martial arts, so therefore when they commit an attack you have a chance of controlling the knife. They are not spitting at you or trying to rip your head off. They think one attack is enough.
A martial artist with a knife, not trained: Still fall into illusions and traps of misunderstanding body mechanics and simple movements. If i'm stabbing you to your stomach, you move off and take my arm with the knife. For controlling purposes.
Why not retract your arm and re-stab, why not use your other tools. I'm gonna be punching you with my free arm, biting you etc.
Ask yourself this question:
When you train in knife fighting is someone letting you do your technique, selling the illusion for money. YES they are.
If someone pulls a knife on you the rules have changed, their intention is to hurt you, you think one attack is gonna stop them. Have someone really go for you, with all the tools and move their feet right or left, How many people do you really stop??????
None without an advantage.
:twisted: :P :twisted: 8O :twisted:
Post: bamboo:
Quote: When you train in knife fighting is someone letting you do your technique, selling the illusion for money. YES they are.
How the fuck do you know how I train, with whom and to what extent?
Why are you preaching? You have no clue who we are or how we train, and frankly I find the rather condescending tone of your posts annoying.
Stop the lectures and start a conversation, most (if not all) here are NOT your students, not are we stupid.
-bamboo>
Post: zefff:
Before I ever took up any Eskrima training I had quite a few knives pulled on me. Threatened a few times and seriously attacked once. Since learning MA I have never been threatened or attacked with a knife again.
I dont think that has anything to do with how I train my technique and physical response.
peace>
Post: EscrimaConcepts:
The statement was not to question systems but to speak of illusions that are fooling people. We as a system are very direct, we evolve and develop the system.
We spoke about what people have to deal with when a knife attack happens.>
Post: zefff:
Cool but the post never addressed any psychological aspects involved in dealing with a knife attack. How you handle yourself first is surely more important than begining to think about how you might handle someone else no?>
Post: lakan_sampu:
Quote: If someone pulls a knife on you the rules have changed, their intention is to hurt you, you think one attack is gonna stop them. Have someone really go for you, with all the tools and move their feet right or left, How many people do you really stop??????
wtf was that? I AM an arnisador and I know these things, and like Zefff I had some fight with opponents with knives/icepick and the likes. Training w/o resistance is a really serious error, it must only be done with beginners.
You really seem to preach (no one must in here, anyway)such unecessary things in this forum. And I really think your tone's so COOL, as if undermining everyone's ability and knowledge here.>
Post: setsu nin to:
So if someone pulls knife on you take gun and shoot yourself in head because there is no chance that you survive knife attack. :roll:>
Post: EscrimaConcepts:
LOL>
Post: TKDman:
[quote=setsu nin to So if someone pulls knife on you take gun and shoot yourself in head because there is no chance that you survive knife attack. :roll:[/quote
Pshh. Silly setsu, you call up EscrimaConcepts, since he knows everything there is to know about martial arts.>
Post: setsu nin to:
TKDman
You are right, I apologies. Maybe we should replace Sensei S. Hilaire with EscrimaConcepts.>
Post: zed:
so does this mean i can save all the money i was spending on training? free forum MA training.........Hmmmm.....no money in it, but what the hell, why not.>
Post: Dirty_Irishman:
In Sayoc Kali they deal with modifiers to get you more adept to handle the mental and physical aspects of knife fighting if you haven't checked the system out you should take a look at it, www.sayoc.com
And I do full on sparring with another practioner where we use everything we study; combat grappling, Muay Thai, Jun Fan, Silat, and Kali. I get alot of kills on him, alot of times on the first attack. We've started from in each others face to 10 feet away, we've even started from different ground fighting positions. You learn alot doing that to, if you haven't tried it you should. But be very careful! I've been gigged in the eye with an aluminum training knife only lightly and it hurt like hell.>
Post: samurai6string:
Is it just me or does EscrimaConcepts sound like the Borg? Everything is about the collective. "The collective evolves Concepts as we assimilate." "Carbon based life forms are inferior in their knowledge of MA." "Captain Picard uses Esrima Concepts.....">
Post: TKDman:
Resistance is futile
(lol, actually sounds more like an aikido concept :D )>
Post: angryrocker4:
Take it in the gut like a man! Now you have the knife and can proceed to kick his ass in your berzerker fury!>
Post: lakan_sampu:
Or you can either turn into a piece of log and appear behind the enemy and attack.>
Post: angryrocker4:
SHHHH!!! Only ninja are supposed to know that! :0>
Post: Dirty_Irishman:
I saw a guy kick a knife from someone's hand once. It stuck in his leg when he did it and jerked it right out of the guys hand. So technically Angry's theory would work...but I think I'll pass.
Of course the guy that loses a knife fight is the guy that doesn't know he's in one. A trained bladesman isn't going to just charge you like the killer in some teen horror movie, he's going to put it in your back.>
Post: jlambvo:
I hate to come in so late, but to the original poster, the REALLY dangerous illusion is that a real knife fighter is going to let you see the thing before you're clinched up and bleeding out from several places.
You don't have to worry about the guys who walk up and flash a knife nearly as much as those who casually bump into you and then pull the blade out of your backside. That's what knives are for, not this ridiculous duelling crap.>
Post: samurai6string:
^^^ word, lambvo. I have this picture in my head of a pirate tossing a knife back forth between his hands.>
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