"what jkd is"
Original Poster: Stg
Forum: Jeet Kune Do Jun Fan Bruce Lee Forums
Posted On: 25-12-2006, 02:53
Orginal Post: Stg: i came across this on a bruce lee site,but it seems to me that this guy s quite ignorant on what jkd was meant to be and such,what do you guys think? http://www.bruceleedivinewind.com/jkd.html
also when someone asks how to learn jkd he adds:
"I don't know if you have any martial arts experience but the best way to start out is to do a couple of years of boxing, kickboxing and ju jitsu which are the best forms of street fighting and the most effective in whooping some serious ass, after the 2 years you'd have the feel for it and could learn other stuff and mix it a bit and see what works best for you."
Post: setsu nin to:
That guy is idiot.>
Post: NeverMan:
Great Article, I just wished he could have articulated better. The pictures were obviously there to joke what JKD is now. JKD, today, HAS become a style, even though it was never meant to become a style. This guy is pretty much right on, or at least very close, IMO. If you think JKD, by Bruce Lee, was meant to be a style taught in a rigid manner, you are WRONG. That is all this guy is trying to say. He does a good job explaining FORMLESS several times. This is just my opinion, I am sure many people will disagree with me.>
Post: Stg:
the problem i have is that he bashes jkd schools saying that you can't teach someone it,which is wrong- the purpose of jkd is to be combat effective by what YOU feel works best for you,not to have literally no technique like he seems to describe,you know? and for someone with no ma experience to make such claims is ridiculous,especially seeing as how jkd teach valuable self defense techniques anyway,why bash them?>
Post: .smoke.:
Bruce is still causing a fuss after all these years. What the guy wrote was correct in the definition of FORMLESS. But, to know fighting be it formless or not, you must have technique. Even if you teach yourself how to throw a punch, that punch takes form when you throw it. If you study 10 martial arts, and pick and choose what works for you, it still takes form when you use it. It then becomes your style. Now, I dont know anywhere near what Bruce Lee did about fighting arts, nor am I a philosopher. But instead of 'Formless' I think it should be 'LIMITLESS' form or 'INFINITE FORM'. Just my opinion.>
Post: Gong||Jau:
Check out this article; I really like it: http://www.chusaulei.com/martial/articles/articles_brucelee1.html. It gives a great perspective on JKD and Bruce from someone who knew him really well.>
Post: binhdinhboy:
talk about a nitpicker. i see jeet kune do as a philosophy. bruce's philosophy was taught to dan inosanto and from there inosanto spread it. i think thats wuts great about it. you CAN learn jeet kune do. you learn the techniques which were compiled and in turn adopt wut works for you. "reject what is useless.">
Post: DARKTIM:
hi all new here
ive been doing jkd for a wile now and i train in manchester, england. (if any one knows were that is :D )
i know what the chap was saying about being in other arts before hand, but you dont need it!
i think that jkd in my opinion is perhaps one of the best styles as it has all angles covered. a complete art. i love the philipino side to it to the panatukan. i just love it. and its help me a few times to adapt to situations that just change!
so were do you all train? how long have you been doing it?>
Post: MrApollinax:
Here is a quote from an article written by Tim Tackett. He was one of the original people who were part of the "backyard" JKD class dan inosanto opened up after Bruce Lee closed his chinatown school to make films in hong kong. I think that it captures spirit of JFJKD and Lee's teachings:
Quote: Bruce Lee has been quoted as saying that in JKD you must constantly study all other martial arts. The main question is just what did he mean by study? The Encarta World English Dictionary defines study as, "to learn about a particular subject by reading and researching". Bruce Lee had an immense library full of martial arts books. He had most of the books ever written on western fencing. As far as I know he never took western fencing lessons. He never became a western fencing teacher. His genius was that he could draw out the essence of western fencing and then adapt its theories and principles to his way of combat. From fencing Bruce adopted and adapted the 5 ways of attack and broken rhythm among other things.
The JFJKD Wednesday Night Group believes that you should become familiar with as many martial arts as possible. At the very least you should understand and have an answer for their delivery systems. We agree with Krisnamurti who said, "Self knowledge is a continuous process". That's why our group has an open door policy. Any martial artist from any style or system is more than welcome to visit us and share his or her knowledge. The only thing we know for sure is that we don?t know everything.
What we want our students to do is to be able to do the core curriculum of Jun Fan Jeet Kune Do, make it his or her own, then adapt, evolve, and add what is their own. That will be their JKD. But we also feel that they shouldn't add what goes against the basic principles of JKD and call it Jeet Kune Do. Remember that any architectural principle is based on a strong foundation. Let the core curriculum be your guide to the building of your foundation and let the house you build on top of it be your own.
The full article can be found here:
http://www.jkdwednite.com/Tim.htm>
Post: binhdinhboy:
DARKTIM
welcome to FA dude. i live in the states and i study in irvine, california. i love jkd. its awesome.>
Post: Fa Jing:
what is jkd? lol apparently its having long discussions about what it is and isnt.......read Tao of JKD....learn from the founder if you really want to know what it is>
Post: supersayin:
i think there could be a proper jeet kun do school only if it allowed you to devolope into your own kind fighter with your own unique style. Just making basic adjustment to teach you how to throw a punch or kick right. Like it helps you on your way to devolping your own street fighting style without being rigid like a traditional karate class would>
Post: Ninja Kl0wn:
JKD is: a name.>
Post: DARKTIM:
thank you for the welcome.
did a seminar with sifu rik faye bout a month or two back and he is an insperation. and is a really cool guy. and he does a camp in minesotta in august. im thinking of going. a week of hardcore jkd. :D
yeah at the end of the day it was the jun fan gung fu and then bruce and danny inosanto came up with thte idea or the name for it. but jun fan was just bruce's way of doing his martial arts. thing is it was so effiecent and economic it was seen as a new and improved way of combat. and it must be right as law enforcement agencies, armed forces and security are using it te world around. its the formless form ( which bruce meant as other forms are restricted to certain limits i.e judo, grappling. kick boxing, punch and kicks.....so on. but jkd has no limits as its an open style you want to trow you throw. punch you punch. so its the formless form.) and its as the guy above said it helps you become a more effeicent fighter instead of being rigid.
so were are you all from?
cheers
T>
Post: MileHighMadMan:
[quote="Ninja Kl0wn" JKD is: a name.[/quot
This is the best definition of "JKD" I have ever heard. If Bruce were here he would be very disappointed in the way people have used these three letters, because that is all it is. Three words, or three letters. I think that out of respect to Bruce, we should call it "Fighting". JKD is a name that was given to his way of thinking. Not his way of fighting. Have you ever heard of Darwinism, Buddism, Christianity?? These are ways of feeling and ways of thinking, not styles or forms. All forms and styles must land a punch, kick, elbow, knee, or submission lock to be effective. What ever form you take to get to the point of contact is nothing but flash and is there for show. When it comes to real mortal combat or a world title fight, do you want to look fancy or be the winner?>
Post: Gong||Jau:
[quote=MileHighMadMan What ever form you take to get to the point of contact is nothing but flash and is there for show.[/quote
How do you figure?>
Post: Fa Jing:
[quote=MileHighMadMan What ever form you take to get to the point of contact is nothing but flash and is there for show.[/quote
Is this the "shortest distance between two points is a straight line" theory again?>
Post: MileHighMadMan:
[quote=Gong||Jau [quote=MileHighMadMan What ever form you take to get to the point of contact is nothing but flash and is there for show.[/quote
How do you figure?[/quote
Do you care what you look like while fighting, if someone attacks you on the street? Fighting was invented for defense and attack, not competition and TV. I would much rather land a straight punch on someone from my face to his rather than having to go through some stylish motion first. This is my feeling. I am different than most though. I fight to win, not to look fancy. But flash does have its place, and if that is your gig, then enjoy it. And like I said before, find your style and go with it. Why be like someone else?>
Post: MileHighMadMan:
[quote=Katsu Jin Ken [quote=MileHighMadMan What ever form you take to get to the point of contact is nothing but flash and is there for show.[/quote
Is this the "shortest distance between two points is a straight line" theory again?[/quote
A theory is a hypothesis or idea that has real potential but has not been "proven" to be true. The shortest distance theory has been proven so it is now a fact not a theory. This is not meant to be a smart remark. I only write what I know.>
Post: Gong||Jau:
You're misinterpreting what I wrote. I wasn't saying that flashy moves are useful in combat. I was saying that your form while striking can be important. Take for example a boxer's jab and Wing Chun straight punch: two straight lines which could easily hit the same target. However, the jab is designed to do minor damage and set up for another strike, while the straight punch is not usually retracted all the way back quickly and is structured so you can block an incoming attack with the same arm, either with the punch or after it connects. Furthermore, think about the difference between a hook and a haymaker. Despite attacking the same area, because of form one is a sloppy punch unlikely to do good damage unless you get lucky and the other is a power shot.
Trust me, you're not the only person who doesn't care about stylish motions while fighting, but there's more to fighting than just using your arms and legs like clubs.>
Post: MileHighMadMan:
[quote=Gong||Jau You're misinterpreting what I wrote. I wasn't saying that flashy moves are useful in combat. I was saying that your form while striking can be important. Take for example a boxer's jab and Wing Chun straight punch: two straight lines which could easily hit the same target. However, the jab is designed to do minor damage and set up for another strike, while the straight punch is not usually retracted all the way back quickly and is structured so you can block an incoming attack with the same arm, either with the punch or after it connects. Furthermore, think about the difference between a hook and a haymaker. Despite attacking the same area, because of form one is a sloppy punch unlikely to do good damage unless you get lucky and the other is a power shot.
Trust me, you're not the only person who doesn't care about stylish motions while fighting, but there's more to fighting than just using your arms and legs like clubs.[/quote
Yes there is more to fighting than just swinging about like a crippled bird, or using your arms and legs as clubs. Style and Technique are two different things. You should make sure that you are using good technique no matter what style you use. Drunken boxing is a good representative of what I am talking about. It is a style derived from the idea of appearing to be off balance and mentally unsound or "drunk", but if you don't use proper technique it doesn't work and you will fall on your face or punch at empty air. To punch for power you must use both body and arm and fist. To kick for power you must use body, leg, and foot. You must have these basics down before you can use any style.>
Post: Gong||Jau:
When I said "stylish" I meant as in flashy kicks, not as in a particular fighting style. Good technique is derived from good form, which is why I said that the form your strike takes en route to the target is important.>
Post: Kali:
.JKD, teaches us to use what is appropriate to a given situation. For example it is not appropriate to use a spinning back kick in a phone box, but throwing a knee, head butt and so forth are. JKD is a way of training and a way of thought. It teaches us to have grounding in each area so that you may take advantage of your opponent?s apparent weaknesses. If I come up against a boxer, I do not play him at his game, instead I try and lead him to unfamiliar territory, this is were I will gain the upper hand, by using what is appropriate to the situation.>
Post: Twitch:
[quote=.smoke. But instead of 'Formless' I think it should be 'LIMITLESS' form or 'INFINITE FORM'. Just my opinion.[/quote
Well, didn't Bruce himself say once that "it is hard to comprehend 'nothingness'?" I know that somethings contradict, and yet they don't. Okay, I suck at philosophy too. Basically, life contradicts it self. Why are we here, we have a purpose, IT HAS TO MAKE SENSE, doesn't it?>
Post: graham1:
"If people say Jeet Kune Do is different from "this" or from "that," then let the name of Jeet Kune Do be wiped out, for that is what it is, just a name. Please don't fuss over it." - Bruce Lee.
Don't get hung up on labels and parameters. JKD is alive and therefore always changing; don't try to box it in.
MERRY CHRISTMAS EVERYONE!!!>
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