De La Hoya vs. Mayweather
Original Poster: dscott
Forum: Kickboxing & Boxing Forum
Posted On: 24-05-2007, 08:32
Orginal Post: dscott: What's your take? I've got to admit....I don't follow boxing but this is all I've been seeing/hearing about for the last couple weeks. Is De La Hoya past his prime? I'm hearing that he has no chance.
Post: Triple T:
My money's on Mike Tyson flipping out, jumping in the ring and eating both of them.>
Post: The BadBoy:
Mayweather in the late rounds if not by JD>
Post: Kyorgi:
PBF has already lost to JLC, someone needs to put the -1 on his record. PBF's power doesn't carry to 154...or 147 for that matter. ODLH by Knockout in mid to late rounds.>
Post: Kyorgi:
If I hadn't pressed the fight, there would be no fight- ODLH>
Post: nbotary:
I can't believe this fight was called by decision. I heard a lot of talk afterwards that it wasn't very impressive, but that De La Hoya looked good and dominated most of the fight. I don't know, I didn't see it and I didn't see any footage. I also heard that after the fight, Mayweather Sr. said that the fight could've been better and he gave the fight to De La Hoya. That alone tells me that it was a piss poor fight topped off by piss poor judging.
I think boxing overall is going the way of the dinosaur. UFC seems to be the sport du jour. The only thing that really pisses me off about it is that they label it "Mixed Martial Arts" when in reality it's boxing, mixed with the trendy "Brazilian Ju-Jitsu" and some kickboxing.>
Post: Kyorgi:
Mayweather Sr. is probably just saying that because he wants a job. Floyd vs Shane Mosley has to happen NOW.>
Post: Kyorgi:
[quote=nbotary;49337 The only thing that really pisses me off about it is that they label it "Mixed Martial Arts" when in reality it's boxing, mixed with the trendy "Brazilian Ju-Jitsu" and some kickboxing.[/quote
This makes no sense to me...its a mix of different martial arts, hence the name "mixed martial arts" is fitting. There are plenty more martial arts involved besides boxing, kickboxing and bjj.>
Post: bamboo:
LOL at Nick! You sound like a grumpy old man with that complaint! LOL:lol: :lol:
-bamboo>
Post: Triple T:
[quote=Kyorgi;49393 This makes no sense to me...its a mix of different martial arts, hence the name "mixed martial arts" is fitting. There are plenty more martial arts involved besides boxing, kickboxing and bjj.[/quote
I think the argument was that a specific blend of only a few styles should be given a more specific name.
While you are correct that there may be the occassional wrestling, sambo, muay thai, and even judo student in the promotions, the differences between styles are minimal and the selection is still sparse compared to what is available in the world for study. So, such a broad title as "mixed martial arts" should still seem inaccurate to people like Nick, who study arts that are not only unrepresented in the sportfighting world, but are actually looked at with disdain because they don't compete.
This should be seen as another reason to mistrust the validity of sport fighting promotions as a means of gauging some notion of objective value in the martial arts.>
Post: The BadBoy:
The term Mix Martial Arts came into play when you had a style versus style approach. Over the years the styles people practised were minimised to Judo/Wrestling/Boxing/MuayThai/BJJ because these were the styles that had the functionality to work. These are the dominant styles in MMA competition because people realise the other styles are more or less bullshit when it comes ot functionality. :)>
Post: bamboo:
I guess guys like Fedor (sambo), Sakuraba (not exactly traditional wrestling), Filopovic (not MT kickboxing), etc have yet to be told about the ineffectiveness of their chosen methods.
I would suggest its not the art that proved themselves "bullshit" but perhaps the training methods? I wonder if Oz has switched from kyokushin karate to MT in order to better himself in his freshman MMA career?
I don't want to be a prick Badboy but I would go so far as to suggest that boxing has no place either as the footwork and bobbing lend to so fairly obvious problems when dealing in the ruleset of MMA and not boxing. Does this mean that boxing is now bullshit as it is slowly creeping out of the mma ring? I don't think so but then if we use the logic you applied then boxing should be labelled as such. The exact same thing can be said of much of the jiujitsu/judo repetoire, much if not most is not meant for the mma ring as the striking would render it useless. There are certain techniques and ideas not unique to the arts you mentioned but made famous by these arts in the UFC and related promotions that work. These are basic, simple techniques that are used by most, the fancy stuff is pulled off by only the argueably gifted atheletes out there. The Mazakazu Imanaries and such.
I'd say that mma style fighting is a style unto itself now and no longer several thrown together. Those days are gone.
-bamboo>
Post: zefff:
Whats Oz got to do with this? Im confused on that point.>
Post: bamboo:
Oz does mma and uses Karate, not muay thai, he also does a non bjj jiujitsu and yet still competes in mma.>
Post: The BadBoy:
The thing is when these other arts start training properly then they start to look like the arts i've mentioned. So why not save yourself the bother and train in those arts from the start. That said, I concur on your point about mma being it's own thing. It is, but mixing the arts still does give you a base if you get to spar mma rules often.>
Post: bamboo:
I'll have to disagree with you badboy. I know I'm doing takedowns after years of hard work that look nothing like judo or wrestling. I'm still learning and practicing the judo throws, but I'm not for a minute believing that those are the only ways to do things. Thats how and why many of the less prevalant arts stagnated and stopped evolving as well as practicing properly.
As with my before mentioned examples- guys like Saku look nothing like judo men/bjj players or wrestlers on the ground and the striking is nothing close to muay thai or boxing and hes a prime example of someone that trained "different" arts in a proper manner to end up being quite effective but does not at all "look like the arts mentioned". Which is what I believe gave him his edge.
just my thoughts at the moment.
Looks like we've effectively derailed this topic.
-bamboo>
Post: The BadBoy:
lol, ture. Lets agree to disagree and let this thread get back to topic. So what about the Judges Decision? I honestly thought that mayweather just took it. De La Hoya was teh more agressive but Mayweather played his game well and landed a lot more shots than De La Hoya. Although I don't believe it was as one sided as some people saw it. DLH took most of the early rounds easily but he faded away. bet he's kickingf himself now for not being able to keep his pace up during the whole bout.>
Post: bamboo:
Mayweather took it without a doubt.>
Post: Triple T:
Yeah, I bet DLH is kicking himself all the way to the bank and his new career in fashion or whatever the hell he's doing. He had an excuse to get more press about him, more talk about him by ordinary people AND make more money than either of us make a year for one night's worth of work. If Oscar is kicking himself, it's for not finding a way to pimp his non-boxing side during all of the build-up hype.>
Post: dscott:
[quote=bamboo;49398
I'd say that mma style fighting is a style unto itself now and no longer several thrown together. Those days are gone.
-bamboo[/quote
I think you hit the nail on the head here. This discussion is pretty much null and void because MMA is a style now. Not just a mishmash of other styles. It might have originated from different styles but now it is it's own.>
Post: lakan_sampu:
Manny Pacquiao!>
Post: The BadBoy:
Edit: Whoops wrong thread.>
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