Original Poster: Hunter_86
Forum: Kung Fu Styles, Chinese Martial Arts
Posted On: 23-05-2004, 03:46
Orginal Post: Hunter_86: Does anyone know any information about a place where they teach drunken boxing?
Simple - just hit the nearest biker bar :mrgreen:
Just a tad more seriously, which drunken style are you looking at? Several of the established styles, like Hung Gar, Eagle's Claw and Northern Shaolin all have their own drunken forms. If you're thinking of what Jackie Chan did in Drunken Master, for instance, that was the Hung Gar form.>
Most drunken boxing forms are advanced forms in other systems. So far I've only come across one school that teaches drunken boxing(and seems legit) as an independent martial arts system, but I can't remember the website. I think it was Lau familly drunken fist or something like that. Try a google.com search for it :)>
Indeed. There's a common misconception that Drunken Boxing is a style in and of itself. While I don't doubt that there are one or two styles out there that focus entirely on drunken style, the majority of drunken boxing I've seen is an adjunct of other systems.>
Found it: http://www.joybotsin.com/>
Hammerhead I do remember reading about some schools that teach entirely drunkin boxing forms.
Mr. Cool the drunkin form you speak of that is taught by the lau family is a form within Eagle Claw.>
I think this is a different Lau familly.>
thanks for all the responses. I really appreciated it. :mrgreen:>
Interesting... I know nothing about drunken boxing, it's interesting to hear it described as an advanced/adjunct, deceptive form of other systems.
I've been told a similar interpretation regarding the HtH fighting style of Gyokyushin ryu ninjutsu. Gyokushin ryu uses body mechanics very similar to it's parent tradition Gyokko ryu kosshijutsu (which is very Chinese) but in whacked out and deceptive ways that could look like "drunken boxing."
There is some speculation that Gyokushin ryu is a synthesis of sorts by the Toda family and perhaps Takamatsu himself, based on old strategies and philosophies now entitled ninjutsu/ninpo. Takamatsu spent extensive periods on the mainland and supposedly mastered many fighting systems from there... I wonder if he borrowed some of these concepts (of drunken boxing) and applied them to Gyokko ryu, giving a fittingly deceptive style of fighting to this ninjutsu "ryu."
A little tangent, sorry if it is innappropriate :)>
jlambvo: LOL, suizake kenpo[/i? I haven't seen much Gyokko-ryu in action, but the little I have seen is indeed very deceptive, but I would venture to say in a different way from Drunken Fist. Drunken Fist is something of an offbeat, highly-specialised form of fighting that deliberately goes against the norm of martial arts to make itself highly unpredictable and frustrating to deal with, whereas I find that Gyokko-ryu, while deceptive and subtle, very much conforms with the norm and rule of successful martial arts, as it were. Drunken Fist would be what in Chinese would be called [i qi men wu gong, literally 'strange martial arts' that take advantage of the element of utter surprise to be successful.>
Not Gyokko ryu kosshijutsu, which is indeed comparitively conventional.
I'm comparing the fighting style of Gyokushin ryu ninjutsu to drunken boxing.
The reason for mentioning Gyokko ryu is that Gyokushin ryu (from the tiny bit I've seen) utilizes similar principles for generating power (as it is essentially an offshoot of this kosshijutsu school) but in very unconventional and unpredictable patterns that looks more like drunken boxing. This seems to correlate somewhat to the way drunken fist was formed on the mainland as well (an advanced branch of conventional styles).>
Ah, righto - sorry, my bad. Misread that the second time round, believe it or not :mrgreen: I thought Gyokushin was a heiho specialist ryuha? Or was that Kumogakure?>
It is, yes, but I've seen taijutsu performed in the spirit and philosophy of the ryu: a lot of odd twisting and angling of the body to blend with attacks and hit from unseen places, hidden sutemi, etc. I've also read that the ryu used Nagenawa. It seems next to none of the fighting style (what little of it there is) is known outside Japan, a lot of what I've seen is sort of a creation based on a few given examples. In other words, it might be totally off, but its still pretty swift :)
If it is accurate, just pure speculation but I wouldn't be suprised if it were a style developed by Takamatsu in mimicry of drunken fist that he witnessed during his travels on the mainland; there is the supposition that Gyokushin ryu is sort of a fabrication based on real heiho collected by the Todas, and this stylization of taijutsu would be very well suited to "ninjutsu" philosophy.
Sorry if I've hijacked the thread. Could you describe a little more detail about characteristics of drunken fist forms?>
Post: The Axe Murderer:
I've been wondering, I know it's called "Drunken" Boxing but do myou necessarily need to get drunk?>
no, you're not supposed to get drunk.>
You don't necessarily need to get drunk to train or fight using a drunken style. The idea of the drunken style is to emulate the unpredictability of someone who's been soaked in the piss, to do things in such a way that your opponent will have absolutely no idea of what you might do next. Which leads us to...
jlambvo: Sorry for the delay in replying to you, Jon - I must have clean forgotten about this thread until people started posting on it again. Anyway, the above pretty much sums up the one common characteristic of all the known drunken styles. Other than that characteristic, they often share little else in common, though it influences everything they do heavily. That said, by the very nature of the style, just about al the drunken styles known are highly acrobatic and physically-demanding, since practitioners need to have strong, agile bodies able to bend into all sorts of odd positions and be able to generate effective power from those positions while maintaining full control their movement at all times. While being actually drunk is certainly not a prerequisite for training or fighting with the style, my teacher did tell me that the full potential of a drunken style is best expressed when one is just slightly tipsy, as it makes one that much more relaxed, uninhibited and creatively vicious. As for the techniques themselves, they are usually alcohol-soaked variations of their mother styles, for drunken subsets, or dedicated alcoholic fighting for the pure drunken styles :lol:
On that note, I just remembered that there ARE dedicated drunken styles out there, only very rare. The southern trademark drunken style is Eight Drunken Immortals, while the nothern one is the Drunken Arhat style.>
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