Video Clips of Tom Wong
Original Poster: ...formless...
Forum: Kung Fu Styles, Chinese Martial Arts
Posted On: 15-08-2005, 09:23
Orginal Post: ...formless...: Sifu Wong finally has clips from his movie up on his website at http://www.tomwongkungfu.org.
He demonstrates the inch punch on a couple of boards, one-arm pushups on just his thumb, and his practice of the shadowless kick. The clips really only offer a vague indication of the man's ability though I must say. I just really hope they add more clips in the future, particularly of Sum Nung as he is just mind-numbingly good. The clips of Desui are also quite amazing and one can only hope that at least some footage gets posted online as its quite a rare art.
Enjoy
Post: Gong||Jau:
http://www.tomwongkungfu.org - I don't know if anyone else had a problem with it, but the period at the end confused my browser. I can't see the clips for some reason; hopefully I'll figure it out.>
Post: ...formless...:
Try letting the whole page finish loading before trying to click on the movies. That made the difference for me.>
Post: NeverMan:
The 1 inch punch video starts off like halfway thru the punch so I can't tell if it's 1 inch or 1 foot.
Doing head dips with your thumb holding you up is not doing thumb push ups.
I am not even sure what a shadowless kick is suppose to be, but I know that I wouldn't mind being hit by one.>
Post: setsu nin to:
Thanks for videos!>
Post: ...formless...:
LOL...Ouch Neverman! That was a rather unexpected repsonse I must say.
The inch punch video is a little quick but I would hardly say it starts "halfway thru" the punch. In my opinion I'd say its a much better demo than most of the one inch PUSH demos I've seen elsewhere from Bruce Lee and such.
I've never even seen someone who could hold themself up on a single thumb, much less accompany it with "head dips" as you called them. If you have footage of such a feat please guide me in the proper direction. I'm open-minded.
And lastly...the shadowless kick video isn't a demo of the kick in application its merely a demo of one of the methods used to train the kick and nothing more. In application its quite different, obviously.>
Post: zefff:
I cant see the vids at all but a proper inch power hit shouldnt look impressive at all as far as I know - It should only be felt. Obviously a in a demo u have to convey whats happening to onlookers so pushing will happen if you need to move a mass rather than split it.
I can hold myself on one thumb easy! :mrgreen: ...dunno about presses though, I will try. Im sure I could do a couple! ...its only a feat though. Doesnt make you a great fighter does it? :lol:
What exactly is a shadowless kick? Is it an untelegraphed one where there is no movement in the head, guard or upper body? If so, the principle does work cos the strikes that hurt are the ones you dont see coming. In the end, dont we all aim to make all our attacks unseen?>
Post: ...formless...:
[quote=zefff I cant see the vids at all but a proper inch power hit shouldnt look impressive at all as far as I know - It should only be felt. Obviously a in a demo u have to convey whats happening to onlookers so pushing will happen if you need to move a mass rather than split it.
I can hold myself on one thumb easy! :mrgreen: ...dunno about presses though, I will try. Im sure I could do a couple! ...its only a feat though. Doesnt make you a great fighter does it? :lol:
What exactly is a shadowless kick? Is it an untelegraphed one where there is no movement in the head, guard or upper body? If so, the principle does work cos the strikes that hurt are the ones you dont see coming. In the end, dont we all aim to make all our attacks unseen?[/quote
Eh I just happen to prefer the inch power demonstration with boards because it provides what I think is a better indication of its power. Doing the punch on a person holding a pad is OK, but the demos I've seen of such a demo are almost always pretty sorry. I enjoy Sifu Wong's video mostly for appreciation of his body mechanics and the way the boards fly (not just away from him but also straight up). I guess whether or not one percieves an inch punch to be impressive depends on the context.
"Doesnt make you a great fighter does it? :lol: "
Exactly my point by saying these clips only offer a vague indication of his ability. Just a few little clips from his larger movie which has a plethora of enjoyable footage IMO. Hopefully other clips will be added in the future. Just wanted to alert the people I've spoken with about Tom Wong, thats all. Not bad for a man in his forties who wasn't even training at the time, if I'm not mistaken.
"In the end, dont we all aim to make all our attacks unseen?"
Sure...but in the end, who can actually DO it?
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Post: dscott:
The push-up wasn't a push-up at all. It looked like the way that most of the girls in gym class would try to cheat to make it look like a push-up.
The one inch punch looked like he started the video late so that you couldn't see the whole thing and would think that he broke the board with a one inch punch.
Just my opinions though.>
Post: zefff:
No worries Formless. Thanks for the clip. I wasnt dissin I was just trying to let people who dont know, that inch power is not about making a man's mass fly across the room. It is more about penetrating and splitting a point on the target.
I tried the one thumb pushup and it is damn hard. I could do one finger and thumb quite easy but not just the thumb. I reckon I could do it if I practised for a while though. Must admit I have been neglecting the fingers lately.
"In the end, dont we all aim to make all our attacks unseen?"
"Sure...but in the end, who can actually DO it?"
I would say everyone on the planet who has ever K.O.d someone or even surprised them with a slap in the chops! Its not too hard to do. Deception is a natural skill we all have isnt it?
The unseen hit could come before you percieve the threat, from a source you didnt percieve or anticipate, on the end of a combo or whatever. In WC or any art if you know people can see your attacks, then you better work on that quick! If people could see and understand my attacks then would feel my money has been wasted learning an ineffective method. Especially in such a strategy driven art like WC.
Even a beginer can throw unseen attacks, cant he? Have you never been sparring with a new guy going at a moderate rate while watching him flail away in his top gear then POW!!! even though he has no formal training he just threw a looping overhand right that would of smashed your cheekbone! ...or maybe he did some other art before and you just got caught in a crazy throw or sweep or summat :mrgreen:
That stuff happens to me. :(>
Post: ...formless...:
[quote=dscott The push-up wasn't a push-up at all. It looked like the way that most of the girls in gym class would try to cheat to make it look like a push-up.
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A video clip of you doing even 3 pushups on a single arm and thumb would be appreciated. Its doubtful you'd look like anything but a girl in gym class trying to cheat.
If for some reason you have trouble watching the inch punch video, try pausing it and then move the marker back to the beginning to observe the first frame. You can clearly see that hes holding his fist within an inch of the board. This isn't rocket science here people.>
Post: BLACK PANTA:
the pushup on one thumb is no easy "feat". Even if he was faking it, to hold yourself on one thumb for that long takes some kinda strength. The one inch punch video did kinda start abruptly tho. It made me wonder why he wouldn't have put up at least 1 second b4 he went for the punch. I however choose to give the Sifu the benefit of the doubt. In fact I dont doubt he can pull of the feats he says he can.>
Post: dscott:
[quote=...formless... A video clip of you doing even 3 pushups on a single arm and thumb would be appreciated. Its doubtful you'd look like anything but a girl in gym class trying to cheat.[/quote
First thing I want to say is that I don't want to start a flame war.
I won't send you a clip of me doing 3 pushups on a single arm and thumb. You know why? Because I can't do 3 pushups on a single arm and thumb. That's my point. It doesn't look like he can either.>
Post: setsu nin to:
Did anyone ever seen someone who preforme One Finger Zen? I know that there were only few people from Shaolin who could do that, but is there any video?>
Post: zefff:
This is why I dont like demos. Real effective combat is an honest expression for its own sake but feats being for onlookers, are made for critique.
They can be entertaining but cant be used as barometers for skills. They are feats thats all. A skillful feat doesnt mean the performer is the best fighter OR MORE IMPORTANTLY the best teacher....but then again I guess a lot of folk start MA because they want to be a 'feat performer'! :lol:>
Post: BLACK PANTA:
Zeff I wanted to touch upon that point you made last night, however couldn't get it accross as well as you did.....it was late. The average Sifu would not tape himself and put it on a website for him to be critisized or praised. The average Sifu would keep his knowledge to himself and his senior students. The view we have in my personal training of Kung Fu is that we do not exhibit ourselves. We are not entertainers or clowns. I am not saying this Sifu is a clown, however more thought should have been put into video taping your feats for the world to see.>
Post: zefff:
well we are talking about it so thats raised the profile I guess. Wasnt that the point of the vids? :D
I know what you are saying though Panta. I still havent seen the vids and I bet he really is a good exponent and teacher of his art but it seems the average MA's attitude has changed with the world this new modern era of free information and people are more demanding as well as critical of the products available for consumption.>
Post: ...formless...:
[quote=dscott [quote=...formless... A video clip of you doing even 3 pushups on a single arm and thumb would be appreciated. Its doubtful you'd look like anything but a girl in gym class trying to cheat.[/quote
First thing I want to say is that I don't want to start a flame war.
I won't send you a clip of me doing 3 pushups on a single arm and thumb. You know why? Because I can't do 3 pushups on a single arm and thumb. That's my point. It doesn't look like he can either.[/quote
Not trying to start a flame war and I don't actually expect you to send in a video. I'd just expect you to realize that doing a pushup on just a single thumb is quite difficult and that of course its not going to look like your standard pushup, even with a single arm and 2 or 3 fingers.
So you don't think it looks like hes doing the pushup, fine...do you also think you'd be able to do what hes doing in the video? Of course you can't and do you know why? Cause irregardless of whether or not you decide to call the pushups in the video 'real' pushups...they're still amazingly difficult to do. Again, I'd encourage you to try for yourself and find out.>
Post: ...formless...:
[quote=BLACK PANTA Zeff I wanted to touch upon that point you made last night, however couldn't get it accross as well as you did.....it was late. The average Sifu would not tape himself and put it on a website for him to be critisized or praised. The average Sifu would keep his knowledge to himself and his senior students. The view we have in my personal training of Kung Fu is that we do not exhibit ourselves. We are not entertainers or clowns. I am not saying this Sifu is a clown, however more thought should have been put into video taping your feats for the world to see.[/quote
*The average Sifu would not tape himself and put it on a website for him to be critisized or praised*
Lots of Sifus has have had videos on their sites for years before mine even thought about it. I'm not sure what you mean by the 'average' Sifu but I can tell you from my experience that Sifu Wong is pretty far from average. He didn't submit the videos for the purpose of being praised or criticized. In fact, I don't think he even chose the video clips that were put on the site as one of his students is the one actually working the website. The clips were taken from a larger movie which he shows to anyone interested in taking the class. The larger movie provides footage which makes it rather clear that Sifu Wongs abilities go beyond his purely physical feats.
*The average Sifu would keep his knowledge to himself and his senior students*
Showing three video clips online is hardly the same as sharing knowledge. Sifu Wong is a true exponent of the chinese martial arts having come from mainland China after some 30 years of training under various masters. Do you really think that he just hands out his vast scores of knowledge to just anyone? Answer: of course not. He isn't like some masters who hand out instructors credentials to any sap willing to pay the ridiculous tuition and testing fees.
*The view we have in my personal training of Kung Fu is that we do not exhibit ourselves*
Sifu Wong didn't exhibit himself, his students placed video footage of him on exhibit for people to see. Hes not some egocentric William Cheung type and has nothing to prove. If people are interested in seeing more of what he has to offer from the videos they can come in and start learning personally from him.>
Post: WhereMyRiceGo:
i can do a one handed pushup better than that guy probably if u want me to that badly i can get a video of me doing on
P.S. im only 15>
Post: dscott:
WOW!!!!!!!!
School must be out. All the little kiddies have come out to post annoying shit.>
Post: ...formless...:
[quote=WhereMyRiceGo i can do a one handed pushup better than that guy probably if u want me to that badly i can get a video of me doing on
P.S. im only 15[/quote
FYI: The video shows the 50-something (I'm not sure about specific age) year old man doing a one arm pushup on just his thumb.
Dscott
Reflecting on the thread and your first response to my post I guess I must have sounded like either (a) some kind of pompous asshole and/or (b) a doofus-like 15 year old wing chun nutjob promoting his p.o.s. Sifu like so many are want to do despite their total lack of skill. Apologies. Not my intention. I just thought maybe some others I've spoken with would enjoy seeing any footage at all of my Sifu, even if its way too short or appears hackish.>
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