Wing Chun Or Shaolin Kung Fu
Original Poster: GrappleToWin
Forum: Kung Fu Styles, Chinese Martial Arts
Posted On: 02-02-2007, 18:55
Orginal Post: GrappleToWin: ok i have no experiance in either MA but i just wanna know what style is better... i guess thats what i wanted to ask. reason is i wanna improve my standup fighting, i already know Muay Thai and BJJ but i wanna learn something else.. so help me decide
Post: GrappleToWin:
damn that was supposed to be a poll>
Post: WushuPadawan001:
Technically the Gong Fu I practice is Shaolin Long Fist (though my school does not dress its students up like monks). I?ve found it to have very good stand up. But be warned: many Shaolin schools teach very modern Gong Fu (i.e. Contemporary Wushu).
My best advice would be to look around, see what?s available, and if possible try both out and stick with what you like.
One more thing. If you?re concerned about the credibility of a master I would suggest posting his/her name on this forum and asking if anyone here knows the teacher?s credentials.>
Post: opariser1001:
you already do Muay Thai and you wanna improve your stand up....and you're asking wing chun or shaolin? hmmm....toughie.
i'll have to say boxing
:lol:>
Post: GrappleToWin:
ya i love muay thai but i just wanna learn as much as i can you know... so if i do join MMA club or something similar if i get stuck on an opponent with Thai i can switch to Wing Chun or something. Make sence?>
Post: ninja_claws:
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Post: GrappleToWin:
dude what the fuck r u talking about man, its my choice to switch if i want. the only reason im saying to improve my stand up is so i cant switch style on my opponent if he's better at Muay Thai then me. Dont tell me what i can and cant do you queer>
Post: bamboo:
GTW-
Ignore the pinky. The policy at the moment is to tolerate them somewhat for entertainment value, if they get out of hand then we take action.
Ninjaclaws is one of the more pathetic pinkys we have, he is sad at best, truly pathetic at worst.
-bamboo>
Post: asag2:
Correct me if i'm, wrong but i always thought shaolin kung fu was a general term that encompassed many styles. If this is true are there any particular areas within shaolin kung fu that you are interested in (ie. crane, mantis, northern, southern, etc)>
Post: GrappleToWin:
well i cant correct you i dont know anything about shaolin or wing chun...>
Post: opariser1001:
okay, if you're standing with a better standup fighter, i fail to see how switching standup styles would benefit you....i stick by my answer, train boxing along with muay thai so that your hands can be better than the average muay thai guy.>
Post: GrappleToWin:
alright ill try that, but what i meant was that if i switched styles then maybe he wouldnt know how to defend against my attacks see what i mean?>
Post: BLACK PANTA:
The southern styles of shaolin will help alot. wing Chun, Hung Ga, Choi Li Fut. Very good at hand work and solid stances. If you wanna go the route of boxing that OP said then go the route of Chinese Boxing ;)>
Post: GrappleToWin:
ok youve been alot of help>
Post: BLACK PANTA:
[quote=GrappleToWin ok youve been alot of help[/quote
BTW Shaolin KF is not really a broad or generalized term. It is a style of kf that have influenced many many other styles of KF. If you have a Muay Thai background, you may wanna also look into San Shou/San Da. Also may be even Jeet kune do. Yeah given your background, you should look into Jeet Kune Do.>
Post: GrappleToWin:
ok but i dont know if theres any Jeet Kune Do places around here i got work today, um if u read this and got time could u look into it for me i live up in Clayton New York>
Post: zed:
i'm surprised that no one mentioned the tiger...very powerful strikes, not to much on kicks(some) but devoting training in one powerful style would really throw your opponents off for sure. you would need to spend lots of time on it to overcome the speed of MT, but when you do...look out. i've studied it some (not as much as i would like) along with some other styles, and i found it slower than most , but what i lacks in speed it more than makes up in power.>
Post: GrappleToWin:
cool im pretty quick with my kicks and punches but ya lol>
Post: jinroh-81:
San Shou/Sanda, Jeet Kune Do, Kyokushin Karate, Goju Ryu Karate or Wing Chun with Muay Thai will be a great mix.
Kyokushin and Goju Ryu Karate styles are practical based and should compliment your Muay Thai training. A good Goju Ryu school will have ground fighting and Kyokushin borrows techniques from Kickboxing, Boxing and Muay Thai.
Kyokushin is considered the best stye of Karate.
There should be a Jeet Kune Do school near you. Below is a link from Dan Inosanto's website with a list of Jeet Kune Do instructors, hope this helps.
http://inosanto.com/wrapper.php?file=instructorlist.php
Have you considered MMA?>
Post: GrappleToWin:
aight thanks man>
Post: lbcpinoy:
If you find yourself in a fight with a better standup fighter then it won't make sense to fight him back with what he is good at (in your case, standup fighting). I suggest you grapple him: take him down or throw him down THEN strike him.
Hope I helped :D
LBC>
Post: GrappleToWin:
sry guys i havent been on in a while i got hurt i broke my collar bone so i havent been training but its better now and ive doubled my training all your stuff has helped, the ground and pound thing works good id have agreed but i wasnt on,k i have a really good back ground in wrestling and i just started a lil BJJ>
Post: eskrima-champ:
hello GrappleToWin mate if i were you have a look at wing chun, i am in the same situation i do Muay Thai and a long list more of other martial arts, the great thing with wing chun is the energys they use, dont get stuck in a rut with any martial arts, some thing will work for you and some wont, look at all the ones you can and if you take just 3 things from each and blend them into you own style you are will on the way, i am not one for forms and systematic movements i try to look at every thing in a practical use as i am into ring fighting and mma, but forms do have their place. have a look at wing chun :twisted: :evil:
keep swinging and dinging>
Post: GrappleToWin:
thanks i will but ya im not like fighting in an amature mma thing or anything just mess around with ppl at the dojo n shit when im not specifically training a certin tech.>
Post: Hengest:
I trained in wing chun for a couple of years and loved every minute of it. Don't know how much use it'd be in a competition environment, but it's about the only style I've trained in that I've found useful in real life. It's saved my arse on several occassions, so I swear by it.>
Post: PunchDrunk:
I've seen some Wing Chun & have experienced a bit of Sho Lin. I'll stick with the latter. Be forwarned, they are both quite different the BJJ. Get used to hearing RELAX!!!>
Post: dscott:
[quote=Hengest I trained in wing chun for a couple of years and loved every minute of it. Don't know how much use it'd be in a competition environment, but it's about the only style I've trained in that I've found useful in real life. It's saved my arse on several occassions, so I swear by it.[/quote
It's good to hear someone talking positively about WC on this forum. It seems that most people here aren't proponents of the style for some reason.>
Post: Gazelle:
Really? I haven't really noticed that dscott, but, i've probably just not been reading in the right places.
I'd quite like to try it one day, along with a list of other styles about as long as i am tall!>
Post: monk_but_not1:
As said, it really depends on your type. I did a couple of styles such as ling nam hung gar, Flying Crane, Wing Chun and Shaolin. If your going 4 speed and ending it fast: go for crane (focuses on pressure points, which does a lot of damages, u use mostly finger strikes, spear hand and phoenix fist), jeet kune do (cuz they incorporated many styles including muay thai, wing chun so all the effective stuff that bruce lee liked about their styles are in there). If u want to really kill the guy, go for hung gar, boxing, shaolin. hung gar, u use long fist, tiger claws that rips peoples skins (I tried, it was awesome..well 4 me), shaolin : dont need to explain: most chinese gong fu comes from them. Finally If u wanna go one on one, then one on one again: go 4 wing chun cuz its good 4 short range and sticky hands helps you fight even if youre close to hugging him (lol). But one thing with wing chun is that it concentrates to much on the forms ans not on the fighting strategies. so yeah...>
Post: peajay:
[quote=monk_but_not1 ...But one thing with wing chun is that it concentrates to much on the forms ans not on the fighting strategies. so yeah...[/quote
Hmmm...
Now given my vast experience of WC... (been to 4 sessions so far, so oh about 8 hrs worth of experience then), i'd like to maybe provide a counter to that statement. :wink:
All the time we are doing the Siu Lim Tao (just doing the first bit - so I'm still greener than the jolly green giant! :oops: ) my Sifu, and everyone else in the class always take the opportunity to point out the application of these movements... :) The first part of each session is form work - each to their own level. (so me doing the first bit lots of times, watching the rest go on further) We then move on to interaction with each other, showing what these forms provide in the way of blocks, strikes, etc... Particular attention is given to showing that the forms and structure training I'm doing is to that i'm not using my muscles to beat people (not possible :oops: ), but my structure and stance instead... :D
I suppose it's down to the class, the people there, the Sifu...>
Post: Gazelle:
[quote=peajay I suppose it's down to the class, the people there, the Sifu...[/quote
Like pretty much everything situation in which you're learning something, then.>
Post: peajay:
[quote=Gazelle [quote=peajay I suppose it's down to the class, the people there, the Sifu...[/quote
Like pretty much everything situation in which you're learning something, then.[/quote
:oops: :roll:
doh! - just call me Mr State-the-blinking-obvious!>
Post: Gazelle:
[quote=peajay [quote=Gazelle [quote=peajay I suppose it's down to the class, the people there, the Sifu...[/quote
Like pretty much everything situation in which you're learning something, then.[/quote
:oops: :roll:
doh! - just call me Mr State-the-blinking-obvious![/quote
lol. Don't worry about it:). I'm sure i've done worse:)...and, there's nothing wrong with stating the obvious from time to time...just sit in an analysis class...'state-the-obvious' is part of the subject description, well, at least to the level i'm at.>
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