Comparing and Contrasting Sword Arts
Original Poster: Sirc
Forum: Martial Arts Weapons
Posted On: 06-10-2006, 13:18
Orginal Post: Sirc: The only sword arts I have personal affliation with are:
-Kendo
-Kenjitsu
-Fencing
-Tai Chi sword
I've always wondered if I could go back in time and pull the "best" of these arts out and throw them in a fight to the death match who would win. I have no real bias towards any of them.
After some consideration I've come to the realization that I don't know who really would come out on top. I really wish I could find someone who still was a practioner of the English broadsword fighting style and compare it to the other more prevalent arts of the sword.
But if I was forced to choose, I would have to give my money to the Kenjitsu guys. Brutal motherfuggers, they are.
Kendo has speed, but not practical applicability. Fencing is scary fast, but far to linear and poised on form. Tai Chi practioners of the sword are scary good with technique, and I'd say it'd be a tossup, and I'd give my money to the kenjitsu guys, if anything because of the superior sword design.
Any thoughts? Comments? Corrections?
Post: setsu nin to:
Well I wouldnt go so deep in analising relationship between Samurais and their mothers, but yes, they were realy good swordmen.
Who would win? Its easy to answer. One who is better swordman.>
Post: Hengest:
Quote: I really wish I could find someone who still was a practioner of the English broadsword fighting style and compare it to the other more prevalent arts of the sword.
You might want to check out Terry Brown, a British martial artist that has been reconstructing and practising English broadsword, among other English martial arts, for the last ten years or so. Granted, it's not an unbroken lineage, but it does give you a good idea of what English swordplay involved.
His website is at: http://www.maisters.demon.co.uk/ and his book English Martial Arts is still in print and well worth a read ( http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/1898281297/qid=1125995566/sr=2-1/ref=pd_bbs_b_2_1/102-8823299-9455303?v=glance&s=books ).
But, getting back to the question at hand, I don't think there'd be much merit to some sort of style vs. style deathmatch. The many sword arts around the globe all developed under very different circumstances to be used against very different opponents. They all filled the niche that they were created for.>
Post: Sirc:
But don't tell me that you guys haven't ever given it a little consideration.
I know you're all curious about experimentation with others. You should really give it a try and poke around with other guys.>
Post: bamboo:
Sirc,
Yes I've been curious and have tried my jo skills against a kendo shodan/setai iaido ikkyu, but it really had to do with the people, not "styles.
I'd love to discuss further your original queston but you'll have to indulge me first.
1. In mentioning very dissimilar arts, I believe we jump off the deep end make the discussion impossible. The types of weapons used would not and in my simple opinion cannot be tested against eachother.
My example- You show up for a sanctioned fight with a mouthguard, cup and 10oz gloves, your opponent has the same but a 12inch knife as well. Do you fight or even the odds and grab a knife? Neither, the smart man returns with a 3 foot blade, then his opponant returns with a gun......it continues into stupidity.
Now, take similar weapons and different arts and think we may have something, but a foil vs katana? Chinese broadsword vs. English Claymore...... It was the technology that dictated technique, not the other way around.
just my 2 cents.>
Post: bamboo:
I just reread Hengest's reply....what he said!
-bamboo>
Post: Hengest:
[quote=Sirc I know you're all curious about experimentation with others. You should really give it a try and poke around with other guys.[/quote
Maybe it's just my filthy mind, but did anybody else smirk when they read this?>
Post: Sirc:
I know I wrote that just for it. :)>
Post: BLACK PANTA:
let the Japanese make your sword and let the Chinese teach you how to use it.>
Post: bamboo:
Panta-
Do we need to step onto the balcony with my fuko shinai again?>
Post: BLACK PANTA:
[quote=bamboo Panta-
Do we need to step onto the balcony with my fuko shinai again?[/quote
Owe, I think I do need a reminder of the hurting.>
Post: setsu nin to:
Hm, I am wondering where is Des with gun or bazooka? :lol:>
Post: Sirc:
Screw that, i'll use ninja as a weapon.>
Post: NathanRahl:
[quote=Sirc The only sword arts I have personal affliation with are:
-Kendo
-Kenjitsu
-Fencing
-Tai Chi sword
I've always wondered if I could go back in time and pull the "best" of these arts out and throw them in a fight to the death match who would win. I have no real bias towards any of them.
After some consideration I've come to the realization that I don't know who really would come out on top. I really wish I could find someone who still was a practioner of the English broadsword fighting style and compare it to the other more prevalent arts of the sword.
But if I was forced to choose, I would have to give my money to the Kenjitsu guys. Brutal motherfuggers, they are.
Kendo has speed, but not practical applicability. Fencing is scary fast, but far to linear and poised on form. Tai Chi practioners of the sword are scary good with technique, and I'd say it'd be a tossup, and I'd give my money to the kenjitsu guys, if anything because of the superior sword design.
Any thoughts? Comments? Corrections?[/quote
The person who feared death the least would win, simple.>
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