materials of escrima stick
Original Poster: confusingDot
Forum: Martial Arts Weapons
Posted On: 15-11-2005, 20:07
Orginal Post: confusingDot: what are your thoughts on what is the best material for a escrima stick.
I've personally made some out of cheap plastic pvc pipes. Is wood better for any reason. what if could somehow get titanium, polycarbonate, ceramic (tough), or another polymer. or bamboo.
i don't mean for sparring, and not trying to hurt each ohter.
I have bamboo sticks. They are pretty resilient and can take a lot of punishment. I don't know how you could train with PVC pipes or ceramic. They would easily shatter.
On the other hand, they make some pretty good foam sticks for sparring.
Take a look at these:
Post: setsu nin to:
Traditionaly they were made from some wood and bamboo I think. Also I saw them made in modern way from diferent cainds of plastic, metal or rubber. From unusual materials I saw them made just from glass (they werent made for real use ofcourse), glass with wire in it and made just of thin brain wire. I liked moust these last one.
Unfortunatly Escrima sticks are too long for me, so I never use them.>
approx 28 inches of rattan is bog standard IIRC.
I prefer the natural, really knobbly ones with loads of nodes on rather than the stripped and firehardened types.
Although Ive never used another type of stick I'd say rattan was more or less ideal because its light and has a natural solidity and toughness combined with innate flexibility.>
i've seen some polycarbonate sticks online, and wondered how good they were.
there are various various amounts of different types of ceramics. ceramic for bowls/pottery, and ceramic for knives, and ceramic for guns, and ceramic for tanks (i heard they use them for U.S. tanks now), each with a different toughness, and strength. supposedly the extremely tough, and lightweight ones, are no doubt extremely expensive though.
my pvc pipe sticks are just fine for now, since i haven't yet sparred with them, or acutally hit anything. but in order to get into anything else, i of course need soemthing better.
as for grip and knobbyness, i know that i can just add some athletic tape on.
is flexibility good? why? how flexibile do you want it?>
Flexibility is good and bad. A heavier, thicker more rigid stick will be more durable and it will build up your forearms and be more of a workout. A lighter, thinner stick will be quicker and, in my opinion, more lethal.
If you've seen Bruce Lee's "Game of Death", there's a scene when he fights Dan Inosanto. Inosanto has two Escrima sticks and Bruce has a thin bamboo type stick. The thinner stick allows for more flexibility and therefore it's quicker.
On a side note, my teacher was caught of guard on the street once when some people wanted to fight him. He was near a car so he broke off the antenna and used that. Because it's so thin and flexible, it was extremely quick and helpful. Of course it couldn't break bones or knock someone out but it could cut and slice.>
If I came out the pub and saw some dude wrenching off my car aerial I'd hold him down so the gang could kick his arse! Cheeky bleeder!>
You have to do what you have to do. It helped hold off a couple of the guys and made them think twice.>
flexibility makes the stick quicker? the velocity/impact of hte hit will be faster/harder, but the time it takes to hit will be longer. that's waht you mean right?
lol, yeah, nice creativity, but i'd hate to have that be my car.
Does the vibrations of the stick from the impact matter that much? if it does, waht ways are there to lessen it?
Do wood and bamboo sticks get dents from hitting each other?
So i'm thinking about just going to home depot and buying some tough wood, shaping it, and fire hardening it, and oiling it. good idea? what kinda wood (it doesn't have to be the traditional... but just has to be GOOD)?>
Flexibility makes it quicker because it's like a whip. The end of the stick "whips" and comes around quicker.
Bamboo sticks don't really dent but they do splinter after a while (Depending on how hard you hit them together)
Personally, I would just buy a real one instead of trying to make one. They're not that expensive and they'll probably last longer than one you would make from a material that isn't meant for it.
How would you shape it? The only way that I could think of shaping it properly would be by using a lathe. Do you have access to a lathe?>
well... someone had to have made them by themselves first. in the phillipines the WAY they had them made WAS by people, and i'm PRETTY PRETTY sure that they didn't have lathes back then. I could aso shape it using a knife, or a flat coarse ground (or sandpaper on a flat ground), and a saw, and als i could use a level to keep checking. There was a way taht it was made before they had lathes. and personaly i enjoy making things, even if it's difficult, and i have to find other ways around it to make it. like i said, i enjoy making things, and i usually enjoy the thing better, when it's something i personally made, and if it fails, then it was still a learning process, and doesn't mean i can't try again.
as for the material i use... that is why i'm researching taht part a bit.
witht he flexibility... yeah, it does do that... but there is a point in time of before the end of the stick whips around, and you might be striking at that point in time. i CANNOT say which point it does, probably need a slow motion camera to see for sure. but it has the possibility for both. probably depends on what kinda strike you do as well.>
All I was saying is that it would be a lot of work for an inexpensive item. If that's something that you like to do, go for it. I wish I had the patience to do something like that by hand.>
ConfusingDot, whats the point anyway? its only a stick. you could break one of a tree and use that just as well. The stick is not whats important at all.
All that time would be better spent on fashioning your technique in the proper manner and not crafting some stick for you to get attached to and distracted by when ever someone nearly breaks it! :lol: Imagine that "Dont hit so hard! You'll damage my stick!" :lol: Do you get what Im saying? If you go down that road, next you will be buying a sewing kit and some fabric to make your own brightly coloured hakama or gi with a gold sash and shoulder pads and stuff!>
yeah, i enjoy the work of making it. plus i would like using the stick more, knwoing that i made it. I would make it, but if it gets damaged, it gets damaged, i'll use it what it's made for. i'll improve on it next time.
just like my masking tape wallet, it's fun, plus it's useful. i'm probably not gonna break out my sewing kit, and make some sparring clothes or what not... but i don't get why it owuld be bad At ALl.
The stick may not be all that important in winning the matches or what not, but I do martial arts no only cause it helps me with matches, but all in all, it's entertaining. so i'm taking an aspect of it (the stick in escrima), and am going to try and make entertainment out of that (by making the stick myself). I'm sure you'd probably find some entertainment in seeing "ugly stick" or "stick of justice" written on some's stick, or what not, or some creative design burned into it.
so... what wood would be good?>
The link that dscott posted sells sticks made of maple, I would imagine that to be a reliable wood.>
I guess at the end of the day you should do what pleases you mate.
Going back to what was said earlier, about atheletic tape. Some people use it to help them grip the sticks but in my opinion that defeats the object. If your attacked in a bar or outside if you are lucky enuff to have summat to hand, its garanteed that the object wont be wrapped in atheletic tape.
Although at first the sticks may slip from your grasp, and you may feel you have sweaty palms or summat, give it time and you will develop a grip as your hands strengthen that will not only help you keep the stick and use it better but other areas will benefit too. Punching will be better, because you will have a stronger, tighter fist. Finger jabs will benefit as the tendons in your fingers will be more compact than before and also all other technique that involves gripping or manipulation from your hands will of course be improved as you will be able to perform them with less effort from the muscles in your hands, wrists and forearms.
The only thing you have to get through is the tearing away and healing of your palms and inner thumb. It takes only one week or so but once this is done you will have some lovely callouses and tough skin on your palms that again will help your technique no end.>
Post: setsu nin to:
Yesterday I was talking with my friend about escrima sticks. He is collectioner of martial arts sticks and he have realy big colection of sticks. I suggest him to put photos of his sticks on net, but unfortunatly he dont whant even to speak about it.
What I found as interesting were two sticks that he shoved me, bouth were same, metal escrima sticks with realy small peaks. There was one cm space between every peak. Ofcourse, peaks were not on the one end of each stick. I realy like these two sticks, they locked realy powefull, they were handmade.>
I feel that the best sticks for long term are either Bamboo Rattans, not these thin, whippy ones but 1" to 1"1/2 thick, these are the rattans we use. If we don't use them we use hickory sticks, which are very hard wearing and with our total combat sytle, give us great power.>
I'm studying Kali, which of course pretty much the exact same thing, so here's my insight.
My sticks are simple rattan, not the fire hardened. Sticks wear out quick when training 3 or 4 days a week. I have a guy at the school I go to who orders bundle from I&I Sports on Ebay and then he sells them for $6 each. They're great training sticks.
If you wanted to hurt people and not just train you can get an oak dowel from Home Depot for under $5. You can also get a wax wood staff from Cold Steel and cut it into two sticks and it only cost $20 and they show that staff smashing cinder blocks. I'm thinking about going with the wax wood myself now that I'm spending more time on Kali than I used to.
PVC is good for solo work but if you make contact with a hard enough surface fast enough you're losing that stick and probably an eye from the shrapnel when it comes apart. Foam sticks are great for sparring because not everyone can control themselves. I spar with the same sticks I train with. There are some guys I wouldn't trust with live sticks though, they'd get carried away and split my friggin' skull.
So I'd go with wax wood, rattan, ironwood, and hickory. But rattan has those nice ridges that are perfect for breaking bones.>
I'd bet on rattan...inexpensive, durable and flexible.>
Also for impact training by yourself (I do this alot I don't know if anyone else does) get a mop stick and cut it down to 26". I have a light pole I beat the hell out of to make sure my grip is strong so that if I meet sticks with someone or hit someone in the head, I won't disarm myself.>
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