Self Defense Against a Gun
Original Poster: grego89
Forum: Martial Arts Weapons
Posted On: 01-07-2006, 04:43
Orginal Post: grego89: Has anybody ever been threatened with a gun
One of my family members has he was coming back from work when suddenly a visious person pointed a gun at him and demanded his money, luckily my family member had just 40 bucks and gave it to him the good thing was my family member left the scene without being shot
I always stressed the importantce of kowing gun defenses
I been searching around for gun defense books and gun defense videos but cant find them anywhere does anybody know where i can get it
Post: Gong||Jau:
Better suggestion: get a second wallet/money clip, put $20 in it but don't put in any credit cards, licenses etc (this goes without saying). If you're mugged, take it out and proffer it to the guy, then throw it a little ways and run. He'll go to get it instead of holding onto you, and you get off easy because by the time he realizes there's nothing else in it, you're long gone. It works well with a money clip because then they know it's not an empty wallet.
Why would you want someone you love to try to learn gun defense from a book or movie? If the techniques are even useful (which sadly is often not the case), how are they supposed to learn to apply them? Defending themselves, at best they save the contents of their wallet, and at worst they lose their life. It's one thing if you're trained and understand some important things about disarming people, but to expect them to pull off a one-shot technique with no other knowledge of martial arts by watching a video is crazy.>
Post: setsu nin to:
Any video or book wont help you anything. If you whant to learn how to defende yourself against gun you need instructor. Real person. First you need lot of skills to defende yourself but even more you need mental skills. Even when you learn from profesionals it doesnt mean that you will be able to defende yourself against gun or rifle or even knife... Learning such things from books is more than dengerous. In my opinion such books should be forbiden by law. They just make you to THINK that you know how to defende yourself against gun, which is much more dengerous than when you know that you dont know who to defende yourself agains gun.
From my experience if you learn from professionals you may get just more chance to defende yourself from fire weapon, but even if you become best you wont be 100% shure that you can defende yourself against fire weapon.>
Post: dscott:
You're best defense is a strong offense. Get a gun yourself.
Just kidding....I can't stand people that carry guns. This isn't the wild west.>
Post: bamboo:
Heres a little story.
When living in Oxford u.k., I passed the evening with a couple of friends at their flat, we drank a little and watched movies and such. When I got up to leave one pulled out a hand gun and put it to my head, he made it clear that I had nothing to offer him and this was it for me.
I had already many years of judo and Karate training under my belt, but that means nothing when its the real thing. His buddy talked him down and I ran the F@ck out of there, hailed a cab and went straight home.
I called the police a little later but realized that I could not give an address, plus the fact that I'd been drinking made it a difficult conversation. I saw the guy a week later in the street, he laughed and told me it was a fake and I should lighten up....yes I did knock him hard.
The moral of the story:
Be aware of where you are and the company you keep. In my head, I could have been dead or raped or whatever. It was an amazing lesson to learn at age 20 and its never happened again. Unless you can outrun a bullet, your best defense is to give up what you have and to not be there in the first place.
bamboo>
Post: grego89:
wow thats a nice moral
YOu have to defend yourself if you know hes going to shoot you
you have to try to defend yourself>
Post: zefff:
Most important for me I'd say you have to be aware of the situations you put yourself in. You have to be aware of the people around you and their moods and motivations. You have to draw on your experiences of life to know where bad things are likely to occur.
I would imagine it would be extremely difficult to defend against a pistol used properly with intent. People dont press it against your kidneys like in the movies do they?
It is like DCohen and Creativefighter were saying about intent and resisting on that 'new video' thread - if you give the information that you are resisting, you will lose before you can even begin. Im sure if you go dead and feel you can defend, your body will do it but if you feel 'you must' defend then your stress will make you lose. Making a choice to defend against any weapon is a serious thing man. Better to learn what types of peoples might be the threats and try not to become a target for them IMHO.>
Post: dscott:
[quote=bamboo Heres a little story.
When living in Oxford u.k., I passed the evening with a couple of friends at their flat, [/quote
A friend did that?????? What kind of sick friends do you have???? I would have had the same reaction. Both during and afterwards.>
Post: Dormath:
man Bamboo hangs around in a fucked up circle.
if some one has a gun RUN>
Post: setsu nin to:
Bamboo
Exelent that you put that story here, to show people how dojo and street are not same.>
Post: lakan_sampu:
I won't defend against a gun if its far...never. I dunno...but if its pointed at me at knife range..maybe I can if I feel I must.
Even professional guys here sometimes have this "delay" when pulling the trigger so maybe one can have some short time to pull of a move and escape...that's my opinion though..right now...>
Post: bamboo:
Genltemen, this was 11 years ago in a foreign country where I was pretty much alone. These seemed like decent guys, I had bad judgement. Period.
My circle of friends now consists of my wife and daughter and a select few others. Guys Like Panta.
Quote: Even professional guys here sometimes have this "delay" when pulling the trigger so maybe one can have some short time to pull of a move and escape...that's my opinion though..right now...
Its an interesting thought, but often we forget our true limitations when we practice because our life is no longer on the line. If it had been a real gun and I moved too soon would I be dead? I assessed the situation, saw my opportunity and fled. As well, I did mention that thier were two people, one with a gun.
My point is for the thread starter. If you build your ego in a fabricated situation you could be dead.
Quote: wow thats a nice moral
YOu have to defend yourself if you know hes going to shoot you
you have to try to defend yourself
Maybe I'm reading this wrong but it seems rather sarcastic. I did defend myself. Defense does not always mean hitting people or disarming. Self defense means living.
-bamboo>
Post: dscott:
This just goes to show that you shouldn't act like a tough guy when someone has a gun. Just shut up and do what they tell you.
http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2005/02/03/nyc_actress_slaying_teaches_hard_lesson/>
Post: zefff:
[quote=bamboo Defense does not always mean hitting people or disarming. Self defense means living.[/quote >
Post: Gazelle:
[quote=dscott This just goes to show that you shouldn't act like a tough guy when someone has a gun[/quote
I'd be wary of acting like a tough guy in more than the situation where a gun was pointed at me.>
Post: Haas:
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^_^>
Post: Sparky-bjj:
That spy vs spy video was hilarious :lol: . I'd never try to defend myself against a gun unless if it's obvious that he's going to kill me anyway. If He's going to kill me anyway I'd simply perform a flying armbar on the arm wich is holding the gun! And WHAM: situation solved! :lol: Just kidding! But seriously with the training I've had: a bit of wrestling, a bit of muay thai and a lot of submission grappling and bjj, I really wouldn't know what to do...Take him down and try to grab the gun maybe...? I tend to believe there isn't an effective, realistic, easy, low-risk move to defend against guns in any martial art (not even in krav maga or systema). Offcourse I could be wrong since I've never taken krav maga, systema or any other pure self defense martial art. But I tend to have a certain prejudice about these martial arts and any other martial art wich learns you to effectively defend against armed opponents and/or multiple opponents. But maybe I shouldn't judge these arts before I have actually trained in them myself...oh well... :)>
Post: Gangsta_Nerd:
[quote=dscott ....I can't stand people that carry guns. This isn't the wild west.[/quote
You must hate my gutts, then. :lol: >
Post: Gazelle:
[quote=Gangsta_Nerd [quote=dscott ....I can't stand people that carry guns. This isn't the wild west.[/quote
You must hate my gutts, then. :lol: [/quote
I couldn't carry one. If your going to carry, you need to be willing to use, and i'm not sure if i would or not. Besides, you shouldn't have to, and, carrying a weapon, if someone notices, can be asking for trouble.>
Post: Stazzy:
I like my martial arts training, but if someone tries to break into my house...they can say hello to a hollowpoint .45 to their dome. Guns aren't toys. If you own one, you better be able to use it. I would never let my mom carry a gun because I don't think she's responsible enough to use it and would end up hurting herself instead of her assailant. My house is also stocked with a .40, a compact pistol my step dad carries around (forgot the model), and a shottie with a pistol grip.>
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