Report McDojo
Original Poster: setsu nin to
Forum: McDojo Dicussion
Posted On: 29-05-2007, 15:20

Orginal Post: setsu nin to: If you have any experience with McDojo you may write about it here and report McDojo so that other members can stay out of that place.

Pls, write why is that place McDojo just adress of the school is not enought, also pls put link to webpage of McDojo that you find.

Posers
Original Poster: kclemens
Forum: McDojo Dicussion
Posted On: 20-01-2007, 09:56

Orginal Post: kclemens:

my school can't be a mcdojo.... can it?
Original Poster: Dante01
Forum: McDojo Dicussion
Posted On: 13-10-2006, 06:00

Orginal Post: Dante01: Hey everybody, this is my first post, and I'm looking for some serious feedback here. I've been exploring fight authority for a little while now, i've never posted before but I have read through a lot of the forums. I came across the mcdojo forum, and it really opened my eyes.

I used to think that all martial arts schools taught quality information, and it was stuff that you could really use. I used to think that there were no 'belt factories', and that all schools placed teaching quality information above generating a profit. But I soon learned that shockingly enough, the majority of schools were a mcdojo, and that only a few in a dozen were quality schools.

I was glad that I was in a good school, then I came upon another revalation, was I possibly in a mcdojo? It really freaks me out because I really love my school and it's style (karate by the way) and I'm even a full paid teacher there. I'm going to give you guys some information, and hopefully you can tell me if im in a mcdojo or not.

The school is not cheap, its $1000 for a year, and classes are offered four times a week. You can go to as many or as few as you want. There are no testing fees, But you have to spend at least 3 months at each belt, then assuming you know all of the information, you can test for the next one.
Were are not allowed to spar until purple belt, and then only hands are allowed for several months, so you can get used to blocking and punching. After that all strikes above the belt are legal. We do point sparring, but we hit pretty hard. It's only excessive contact if you make the other person bleed. As soon as you reach brown belt, full contact fighting is allowed above the belt, but most of the time we dont go 'full out' just about 60-80% contact. About a third of our classes are sparring, full and point, another third is self defense, and the last is kata. Self Defense is practiced with a resisting opponent, and about half of our self defense is grappling and ground manuvers. Sometimes we judo wrestle.

I know my school is very interested in making money, becuase you are required to buy their pads for sparring, but is the instruction still good? The fastest someone has ever gotten their black belt is 4.5 years. I took five.

I really do love my school, and I really like being paid to teach there, I just hope I'm not in a mcdojo. sorry if the post is too long, feed back is more than welcome.

Wondering your thoughts??
Original Poster: thatguy32
Forum: McDojo Dicussion
Posted On: 15-09-2006, 21:40

Orginal Post: thatguy32: Im sick so havnt been into this place or talked to anyone yet, but when im better I was thinking about checking it out. I was just wandering your thoughts on it, and if there was someway to find out is the instructors are for real , or like selftrained ,or something. Im not saying its a McDojo, or that I think its a Mcdojo, I was just wondering your thoughts on this place. Thanks.
http://learnkungfu.ca/

"American Ninja!!"
Original Poster: Tatsukage
Forum: McDojo Dicussion
Posted On: 15-09-2006, 12:10

Orginal Post: Tatsukage: I didn't see it posted, so just in case...I present to you the biggest fraud! RICK TEW!!
www.ninjitsu.com
This has got to be the biggest fraud and mcdojo I've seen in a long while.

Is this McDojo?
Original Poster: kranker66
Forum: McDojo Dicussion
Posted On: 09-09-2006, 16:43

Orginal Post: kranker66: -I scoped out a traditonal Karate place...it's geared to families ,and they sponsor potlucks for the kids, blah,blah,blah...$139 dollars a month for unlimited classes...this includes the Gi ..yada-yada-yada...and they saying that belt prgression every 3 months...18 -24 months for a Black Belt ...are they kidding!?...

...so I'll go ahead and ask, do you guys think it's an McDojo? :lol: :lol: :roll:

"Master Thé's" Central Shaolin McDojo...
Original Poster: nbotary
Forum: McDojo Dicussion
Posted On: 08-09-2006, 21:00

Orginal Post: nbotary: Compliments of Angryrocker for this one...

http://www.centralshaolin.com/cshaolin_pages/intro.html

The following is a letter that I e-mailed to this guy. I have yet to hear back from anyone - and doubt that I will. If I do, I'll be sure to post whatever dipshit excuse I get as a response. Let me know what you think...

The Answer We've Been Waiting For!!!
Original Poster: nbotary
Forum: McDojo Dicussion
Posted On: 08-09-2006, 06:16

Orginal Post: nbotary: Ladies and gentleman, we finally have an answer form the idiot's at Master Thé's McDojo. The first part is the answer, followed by the second inquiry I sent them. So, without further adeu, he it is, in all its respected bullshit glory:

Well, the answer to your questions are simpler than you might think. It's true that an old Shaolin monk wouldn't have worn a Japanese style gi. However, he wouldn't have worn what's currently considered a traditional Chinese martial arts uniform (sometimes called a sam, and which goes back a hundred years or so) either. They didn't have "workout" clothes. Most only had a robe, very often only one, and they wore it for everything.

They didn't have belts, except something to hold the robe closed, or ranks either. Generally, a fighting monk started out as a novice, and might eventually leave the temple as what we would call a journeyman. If e were very skilled and knowledgeable, he might someday be called a master. Of course he didn't need a belt or rank at the temple -- everybody knew who he was.

To explain why we have ranks and uniforms, I'll need to offer you a very brief history. Our teacher's teacher's teacher, Su Kong Tai Djin (1849 - 1928), was the last grandmaster of the Shaolin temple in Fukien province. Renown all over China as the "hairy monk", he was the first to master all of the styles the temple offered. When the twelve temples were burned during the Boxer Rebellion, he fled into the mountains with a small number of students and continued to teach. One of them, Ie Chang Ming (1880 - 1976), was his best student and was eventually named grandmaster. During the turbulent period preceding the Communist victory, grandmaster Ie killed a bunch of soldiers of a local warlord and was forced to flee China. He settled in Bandung, Indonesia, and eventually began teaching there. One of his students, Sin Kwang Thé, had
exceptional talent and eventually became grandmaster. (Note that Thé is his family name, in the Indonesian style. The Chinese form is Zheng.) Grandmaster Sin Thé came to the United States to get his BS and MS degrees, began teaching here, and decided to stay in the US. Of course there is much, much more to all of these stories, but that's how we trace our lineage.

At the time Grandmaster Ie began teaching in Indonesia, it was illegal to teach the Chinese martial arts. As you may know, Indonesia has had a long history of conflict with China and their ethnic Chinese. To keep from being arrested, Grandmaster Ie disguised his teaching with the trappings of a Japanese style, which was legal, including wearing gis and using a belt system. However, the material he taught was strictly the traditional Chinese forms he had learned from Grandmaster Su.

Grandmaster Sin Thé and most of his students have kept the gis and belt ranks our of respect to Grandmaster Ie, and for some practical reasons too. A gi is easily available, durable, and not that much different from a monk's robe. Most of us work out in sweats and a tee-shirt when we're not in class. We've kept the rank system because it's useful as well. It gives our students, particularly the lower ones, a short time goal and some motivation. (We can't keep them in a temple all the time and whack them with a stick to get their attention.) Also, a teacher can look at a class full of students and tell about where each one is, in terms of the material they have learned.

To be honest, when I first got your letter I disregarded it. I get lots of mail from students and teachers of other styles, and most of it tries to prove their style is better than ours. I don't feel any need to defend my style against anyone. However, on the chance that you are asking honest questions, I've given you some honest answers. Thanks for listening.


Dear Sir,

I came across the "Shaolin Do" web page a while back and noticed some things that caught my eye as being very "inconsistant" with what I had learned through both research and study of Chinese martial arts. As a result, I felt compelled to write a letter in an effort to have some things cleared up. I didn't really expect to hear anything back from anyone, especially since I was actually questioning and challenging some of the statements made on the web page. However, I found it extremely ironic and humorous that a response was later posted on your web page in response to my letter instead of directly back to me. In any event, I have the satisfaction of knowing that you recognized the issues that I have raised in an appropriate fashion. However, my Sihing has a Sr. Kung Fu brother in Atlanta and two other masters in Atlanta, with legitimate lineage, who have questioned the authenticty of your style. Why is it that your schools continue to use Japanese terminology, belt rankings and uniforms to denote the original Chinese style that you claim to promote, knowing full well that the Japanese and Chinese have been in conflict over culture and martial arts for hundreds of years? Please do not do the disservice of trying to compare it to Bruce Lee's PHILOSOPHY of Jeet Kune Do as any true student of martial arts who has actually read his treatise knows that even Bruce himself said his philosophy is not a style. Since I really don't expect to hear back from you or any other member of your school, I'll just wait a few more weeks and look for my answer on Shaolin Do's web page. Thanks and have a great day.

OMG - This Crap is Hilarious
Original Poster: dscott
Forum: McDojo Dicussion
Posted On: 05-09-2006, 22:09

Orginal Post: dscott: http://www.adamgibsontkd.com/

You have to view the "Sci-Fi Commercial".

Pau Kua
Original Poster: WushuPadawan001
Forum: McDojo Dicussion
Posted On: 29-08-2006, 17:31

Orginal Post: WushuPadawan001: Have any of you heard of Pau Kua (sp?). ThereÂ’s a Pau Kua school near my university that reeks of McDojo. IÂ’m thinking IÂ’ll stop by just for kicks, but IÂ’m interested to know if this is a legitimate style.

I dont care anymore
Original Poster: BLACK PANTA
Forum: McDojo Dicussion
Posted On: 28-08-2006, 20:54

Orginal Post: BLACK PANTA: Why can't I open a Mcdojo. I mean look at how much money they make of suckers. Dammit I suck enough to open a Mcdojo. Whose with me.

Ninja lessons!
Original Poster: Hengest
Forum: McDojo Dicussion
Posted On: 25-05-2006, 18:22

Orginal Post: Hengest: Check this out. I wonder if the Bujinkan knows this clown has his own website, cos with his skill levels, there's no way he should be let near a dojo.

http://www.ninjalessons.com/

ryurei aikido
Original Poster: bamboo
Forum: McDojo Dicussion
Posted On: 23-05-2006, 00:24

Orginal Post: bamboo: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z-IBB0Oc8aY&search=aikido

This is an "independant" offshoot of the ki society. They are also located in my city, good god the shame!!! The man doing all the throwing is "Peter Bussel" the head and founder of this group. He also teaches "ki" classes.

If we all only had such magical powers.


-bamboo

Fang SD split- cuz its just too nice
Original Poster: sunnzi
Forum: McDojo Dicussion
Posted On: 12-05-2006, 07:40

Orginal Post: sunnzi: [quote=BLACK PANTA [quote=sunnzi http://www.learnkung-fu.com/

Fang Shen Do.

If you joined this school all I can say is sorry. These are some reasons I left?
-Cult like atmosphere
-School Head self appointed Sijo ? unable to verify standings and he gets pissed off when you inquire.
-Not allowed to question (anything!!)
-Must show total obedience
-Changes curriculum constantly, along with fees and ranking ect.
-Intimidation tactics to upgrade membership and attend seminars
-Forget about getting your black belt unless you?re a ?premium? member, go to all the seminars and open a franchise. Which apparently you can do anytime. I knew a green (sash) belt that opened his own school and was head instructor????
-The list goes on and on. Bulshido has good articles from former students?
-Oh and if some of there students or Sufu?s knew that I wrote this and saw me at a bar or an ally they?d try to put me in the hospital or worst!! No kidding around. There kind of mental. 8O :!:[/quote 

Sounds a lot like Temple Kung Fu. If they are (or like) Temple Kung Fu, I wouldn't worry too much about the last point you made. Their most effective techniques start like this "okay, now hit me this way.....no, no not like that.....THIS way."[/quote 

Hey Black Panta,

Yah I'm really not concerned about that last point since I don't frequent bars or dark allies. Though some of the "Kool Aid" drinkers of the clubs (they now have 11 or 12 dojo's) roam around in packs (5 to 7) looking for fights. These guys will never go one on one; they all attack if given the chance. One sifu use to always begin to show us a new technique by saying "I know this technique works or is effective because I've used it in a bar fight" sad thing is I don't think he was always full of it. Oh well at least I know some of what I learnt will take down a stammering drunk guy. LOL. Well I?ll quit my blathering now. More or less just pointing out the mentality of allot of their students and instucters.

Temple Kung Fu
Original Poster: bamboo
Forum: McDojo Dicussion
Posted On: 05-05-2006, 12:58

Orginal Post: bamboo: http://www.network54.com/Forum/205613

For all you ex TKF people that want to gripe..and if you search hard enough, there is apparantly a court transcript where "grand master simon" admits that never obtained any of the dan rankings he claimed as well as never went to shaolin.

I just find it sad that people are taken in by this huckster. Thats right, I used an antiquated word and it fits!

-bamboo

Weird (almost erotic) "Tai Chi" demonstration
Original Poster: 8LimbsScientist
Forum: McDojo Dicussion
Posted On: 13-04-2006, 13:53

Orginal Post: 8LimbsScientist: If you think this is bad, imagine what he can do when they have sex!

[url http://www.roxburytaichiacademy.com/video/Kenetic%20bb.wmv[/url 

Harry Johnson - Ninja Master!
Original Poster: Hengest
Forum: McDojo Dicussion
Posted On: 07-04-2006, 03:08

Orginal Post: Hengest: Not a McDojo, but probably still the best category for this one.

When I stumbled across this site, I thought that it must be a joke but, the more I read it, the more I think he's actually serious...

http://www.no-cool.com/TJ/

Instructors? Pshaw!!
Original Poster: Hengest
Forum: McDojo Dicussion
Posted On: 15-03-2006, 04:23

Orginal Post: Hengest: Quit the classes lads (and ladette). It's all here:

http://wiki.ehow.com/Teach-Yourself-the-Basics-of-Karate

Speed Fighting
Original Poster: vladimir
Forum: McDojo Dicussion
Posted On: 14-02-2006, 02:38

Orginal Post: vladimir: http://www.speedfighting.com/?hop=cclan1

Moore's Karate??
Original Poster: Sirc
Forum: McDojo Dicussion
Posted On: 11-02-2006, 23:39

Orginal Post: Sirc: Is their style of "karate" legit? I mean it's not even really karate, it's supposedly a chinese art.

It's Sho Shou kung fu. Is this even real? I took a few classes from them and I don't know if it's truly a real art as I can't really find anything on it.

Also, from what I can find it's the same as any other hyped up MA. "It was the art of the royal guards... blah blah blah."

Anyone?

TKD is a style of Karate!
Original Poster: WushuPadawan001
Forum: McDojo Dicussion
Posted On: 11-02-2006, 22:01

Orginal Post: WushuPadawan001: I have a friend who just started taking some martial arts classes at the Houston Karate Association (website follows)

http://www.houstonkarate.com

I had warned my friend about McDojos before, but apparently my advice was not taken seriously as this school teaches, "the style of karate known as American Tae Kwon Do."
I was unaware that TKD is a style of Karate :?
This just screams McDojo to me
:evil:

Budokon
Original Poster: dscott
Forum: McDojo Dicussion
Posted On: 19-01-2006, 22:51

Orginal Post: dscott: http://budokon.com/

video demo
Original Poster: bamboo
Forum: McDojo Dicussion
Posted On: 29-12-2005, 08:28

Orginal Post: bamboo: http://www.karateconnection.com/chuck2.ram

Its the look of rage in his eyes while he beats on two dummies that gets me.

WARNING: DO NOT DRINK NEAR KEYBOARD, YOU COULD END UP SPEWING ALL OVER

The most secret form of Kung Fu!!!
Original Poster: opariser1001
Forum: McDojo Dicussion
Posted On: 22-12-2005, 20:33

Orginal Post: opariser1001: http://chineseculturesecrets.com/

:lol:

ISKA World Breaking Championships
Original Poster: opariser1001
Forum: McDojo Dicussion
Posted On: 16-11-2005, 02:24

Orginal Post: opariser1001: Okay, I happened to catch this crap on ESPN2....oh God it was funny. Now here's my problem. I've seen Kyokushin guys break tons of bricks and this and that, but Kyokushin is a hard style that specializes in making the body extremely tough and withstanding punishment.

And then I see these people at the "World Breaking Championships" doing the same stuff and it looked as if they weren't even trying....

For example, there's two stacks of like 12 patio blocks or something, (and I know how hard it is to break patio blocks) and this old guy just like stands between the stacks and drops his tricep onto them and they both collapse easily. (No, he didn't ELBOW them, he TRICEPPED them).

How can this be?

I just don't get it.

And here, here's a picture of some people from Chip Townsend's school (apparently, he holds 11 World Championship Breaking titles.......)



god...if anyone can explain this to me, I'd appreciate it.

And oh yeah, there was another old guy who put a spearhand through a solid wood door....come ON!

Please explain!

shorite ryu tai jutsu
Original Poster: goongaloonga
Forum: McDojo Dicussion
Posted On: 17-10-2005, 02:15

Orginal Post: goongaloonga: www.victorioushands.com I don't know if this has been posted before or not, but just read the first page, total mcdojo and total laughter

super mega ultimate kung fu
Original Poster: opariser1001
Forum: McDojo Dicussion
Posted On: 15-10-2005, 16:28

Orginal Post: opariser1001: http://www.kungfushaolin.cl/

please, please watch the videos.

aaaaaaaaaaaahahhahahahahahahahahhahahhahah

Fight Fast: Become A Black Belt-Level Fighter In 30 Days!
Original Poster: vladimir
Forum: McDojo Dicussion
Posted On: 30-09-2005, 13:40

Orginal Post: vladimir: http://secure.fightfast.com/ShowView/maman_israeli/?p=IC-77&r=GoogleAD_Words

No touch??
Original Poster: bamboo
Forum: McDojo Dicussion
Posted On: 04-09-2005, 05:50

Orginal Post: bamboo: http://www.kyusho.com/chadseibert1.mpg :shock:

O.k., if you are in a training facility and your instructor demonstrates this sort of thing (of course always with a senior student :roll: ), ask him to do it to you and tell us all about it.

IMHO, this gives martial arts, the soft ones in paticular a really bad name.

-bamboo