my school can't be a mcdojo.... can it?
Original Poster: Dante01
Forum: McDojo Dicussion
Posted On: 13-10-2006, 06:00
Orginal Post: Dante01: Hey everybody, this is my first post, and I'm looking for some serious feedback here. I've been exploring fight authority for a little while now, i've never posted before but I have read through a lot of the forums. I came across the mcdojo forum, and it really opened my eyes.
I used to think that all martial arts schools taught quality information, and it was stuff that you could really use. I used to think that there were no 'belt factories', and that all schools placed teaching quality information above generating a profit. But I soon learned that shockingly enough, the majority of schools were a mcdojo, and that only a few in a dozen were quality schools.
I was glad that I was in a good school, then I came upon another revalation, was I possibly in a mcdojo? It really freaks me out because I really love my school and it's style (karate by the way) and I'm even a full paid teacher there. I'm going to give you guys some information, and hopefully you can tell me if im in a mcdojo or not.
The school is not cheap, its $1000 for a year, and classes are offered four times a week. You can go to as many or as few as you want. There are no testing fees, But you have to spend at least 3 months at each belt, then assuming you know all of the information, you can test for the next one.
Were are not allowed to spar until purple belt, and then only hands are allowed for several months, so you can get used to blocking and punching. After that all strikes above the belt are legal. We do point sparring, but we hit pretty hard. It's only excessive contact if you make the other person bleed. As soon as you reach brown belt, full contact fighting is allowed above the belt, but most of the time we dont go 'full out' just about 60-80% contact. About a third of our classes are sparring, full and point, another third is self defense, and the last is kata. Self Defense is practiced with a resisting opponent, and about half of our self defense is grappling and ground manuvers. Sometimes we judo wrestle.
I know my school is very interested in making money, becuase you are required to buy their pads for sparring, but is the instruction still good? The fastest someone has ever gotten their black belt is 4.5 years. I took five.
I really do love my school, and I really like being paid to teach there, I just hope I'm not in a mcdojo. sorry if the post is too long, feed back is more than welcome.
Post: Hengest:
Hey man. Welcome.
It's almost impossible to say without visiting your school, but, other than the price, there isn't much there that makes me think you're at a mcdojo. Sounds like a fairly typical karate school to me. Five years to black belt is a decent amount of time to my mind, and I like that they have a minimum period that you must be at a certain grade for. A lot of mcdojos wouldn't do that because they want people testing as often as possible so they can collect the grading fees (another thing your dojo lacks). And at least you have some sparring. A lot of mcdojos don't have any at all.
Does your school have a website? It might give us some more clues.>
Post: Bushi:
Just based off of what you wrote, I vote No.>
Post: goongaloonga:
doesn't sound like a mcdojo, $1000 a year isn't bad considering there are no testing fees, that's one area where mcdojos tend to really bite you in the balls, let's see, no 1- 1 1/2 year balckbelts, no extra fees except for the pads, and full contact sparring, sounds like a good school, don't worry>
Post: MrPeabody:
Sounds ok to me.
That bit about sparring sucks though. If I couldn't spar from the get-go i'd be a little upset, lol>
Post: zefff:
it doesnt sound too expensive, if you break it down its like $20 a week.
waiting all that time to spar is bogus though.
If there are things that worry you then maybe try to change them or ask your seniors what they think. I always bother people with my requests to change or adjust certain training methods and I am not the only one in my school.>
Post: dscott:
[quote="Hengest" It's almost impossible to say without visiting your school, but, other than the price, there isn't much there that makes me think you're at a mcdojo.quote
$1000 for a year of 4 classes per week is literally $4.81 per class. That's not expensive at all. It sounds like a good school to me.>
Post: setsu nin to:
Dante01
Actualy only you here hnows the answer to your question. Best way to finde is it McDojo or not is to as yourself how much you pay and how much do you get. If you dont get good knowledge than $1 is expensive. If techniques are good, if teaning method is good to you, if you like it, if it make you happy go for it.>
Post: nbotary:
I'm not slamming you or putting your school down in any way. The following are my opinions based on what you asked in your post. I'm just going on the info. that you've provided so I'm going to play Devil's Advocate here... :twisted:
If your school is putting students through to the next belt every 3 months, then it is possible that it could be a McDojo. I'm not saying it is, I'm just saying it's possible.
As far as price goes, no, it doesn't sound like a McDojo.
As for sparring, yes, to me it does and I'll state why. I don't know how your schools belt system goes, but I will assume that purple is intermediate to advanced intermediate. To teach someone to defend themselves, you must also teach them how to attack. If your students are not allowed to spar until they reach an advanced level, how are they going to be able to correct and refine their basic techniques?
Ex. In my Kung Fu school, students are taught reaction fighting. At first, they learn the five basic techniques for blocking and punching with an opponent. They are taught control and technique at the same time and they usually learn this after the first two or three months. It's pretty basic, but they learn to hit and be hit from the very beginning. As they progress, they begin to feel more and more confident in what they are learning and they begin to understand what they are doing and why. As they progress and learn more, it shows, especially when they move into actual "free-fighting" or light full-contact sparring. They understand that they have to get hit in order to learn how to protect themselves and how to hit in order to work on their techniques.
If your students are too afraid to hit, or they are taught to pull their punches from the beginning, they will develop bad habits that will carry through with them to the higher belts. Then you risk having a sloppy fighter whose pulling punches becuase their afraid to hit their opponent and their technique is bad. If you are a teacher or an instructor, how often have you had to tell a student to actually hit you? It's very intimidating for a beginning student to be told to hit someone they feel could wipe the floor with them at anytime. In fact, it took me months to hit my 1st teacher and he and I were roommates in college! We used to trade hits just for shits and grins. But, for him to stand in front of me and tell me to physically try and hit him outside of the context of horseing around, that was difficult. It took awhile to be able to do it and get it through my head that he was there to teach me, not kick my ass. Bad habits are hard to break.
As for the rest of your inquiry, I would say it depends on the quality of the instruction the students are receiving. If you feel that they are receiving good, quality instruction from good, quality teachers, then no, it's not a McDojo. However, if you feel the opposite, then yes, it is a McDojo.
But, as Setsu was clear to point out, you are the only one with the answer to your own question. :)>
Post: NathanRahl:
[quote=Dante01 Hey everybody, this is my first post, and I'm looking for some serious feedback here. I've been exploring fight authority for a little while now, i've never posted before but I have read through a lot of the forums. I came across the mcdojo forum, and it really opened my eyes.
I used to think that all martial arts schools taught quality information, and it was stuff that you could really use. I used to think that there were no 'belt factories', and that all schools placed teaching quality information above generating a profit. But I soon learned that shockingly enough, the majority of schools were a mcdojo, and that only a few in a dozen were quality schools.
I was glad that I was in a good school, then I came upon another revalation, was I possibly in a mcdojo? It really freaks me out because I really love my school and it's style (karate by the way) and I'm even a full paid teacher there. I'm going to give you guys some information, and hopefully you can tell me if im in a mcdojo or not.
The school is not cheap, its $1000 for a year, and classes are offered four times a week. You can go to as many or as few as you want. There are no testing fees, But you have to spend at least 3 months at each belt, then assuming you know all of the information, you can test for the next one.
Were are not allowed to spar until purple belt, and then only hands are allowed for several months, so you can get used to blocking and punching. After that all strikes above the belt are legal. We do point sparring, but we hit pretty hard. It's only excessive contact if you make the other person bleed. As soon as you reach brown belt, full contact fighting is allowed above the belt, but most of the time we dont go 'full out' just about 60-80% contact. About a third of our classes are sparring, full and point, another third is self defense, and the last is kata. Self Defense is practiced with a resisting opponent, and about half of our self defense is grappling and ground manuvers. Sometimes we judo wrestle.
I know my school is very interested in making money, becuase you are required to buy their pads for sparring, but is the instruction still good? The fastest someone has ever gotten their black belt is 4.5 years. I took five.
I really do love my school, and I really like being paid to teach there, I just hope I'm not in a mcdojo. sorry if the post is too long, feed back is more than welcome.[/quote
Sorry to tell you this buddy, but your in mcdojo. There are too many rules, to mant time limits, too many requirements, too many belts, too many points and numbers and, well, you get the picture.
Yuo also must realize that, no one getting a black belt for atleast 5 years, the being the quickest, should be your first warning. A real school will not have any pre set time limit. Also, good schools will not use a belt system, which is pretty much all of them. Some that are good do, but it is a foolish system really. belts don't kill people, people kill people.
But anyhow, besides my wildly unpopular thoughts on ranksm, unpopular amoung those who own dojos and who own them, it's an ego thing, your attending a mcdojo. Sorry, have known dozens of dojo owners, both over here in china where I currently reside, and in the USA. few were anything more put money grubbers, some were pure though, very few though.
I am sure you like it, all sounds nice and neat and tidy, everything spelled out, this amount of time for that, a teaspoon of this, and tablespoon of that. It's a mcdojo, you've been had I am afraid.>
Post: bamboo:
Nathan-
Please give us a little background information on yourself as you have seen fit to make quite a few judgements in many threads.
Quote: A real school will not have any pre set time limit. Also, good schools will not use a belt system, which is pretty much all of them. Some that are good do, but it is a foolish system really. belts don't kill people, people kill people.
This is plain silly. Some good schools and systems use belts and some don't. I noticed you said you studied sword for 25 years in another thread. Is this a koryu system? If so, does not the certificate system itself in fact mirror belts?
A time limit does not mean mcdojo, especially if hes not paying to wait. He does not pay to test...etc.
I find you are assuming too much and judguing too quickly. Lets hope that arrogance does not extend to the mat.
-bamboo>
Post: NathanRahl:
[quote=bamboo Nathan-
Please give us a little background information on yourself as you have seen fit to make quite a few judgements in many threads.
Quote: A real school will not have any pre set time limit. Also, good schools will not use a belt system, which is pretty much all of them. Some that are good do, but it is a foolish system really. belts don't kill people, people kill people.
This is plain silly. Some good schools and systems use belts and some don't. I noticed you said you studied sword for 25 years in another thread. Is this a koryu system? If so, does not the certificate system itself in fact mirror belts?
Bamboo, you seem to be following me, found someone who seems like a good whipping boy have you :) Why pay me so much attention. You actually are follwing me. Man is it easy to get on your bad side. Lighten up, you need to find more things to do with your time. H, guess I just pissed you off more. Take care.
A time limit does not mean mcdojo, especially if hes not paying to wait. He does not pay to test...etc.
I find you are assuming too much and judguing too quickly. Lets hope that arrogance does not extend to the mat.
-bamboo[/quote >
Post: bamboo:
Nathan-
Its my job to read all the posts, thus the "mod" tag under my name.
Yes, I do "follow" around new posters that put more than 20 posts in two days. Quality control.
I can assure you that you are not on my "bad side", I ask you these questions of your background because its nice to know from whom we are taking advice. My entire background is posted on more than a few threads and am always happy to reply when questioned.
Please do not take my disagreeing with your posts as negative, its simply a difference of opinion. Now in the spirit of debate, how about you look at the points I brought up and answer those instead of assuming I am looking to get you.
As I did say- Welcome to FA.com. That was sincere, as are all my posts.
bamboo>
Post: NathanRahl:
[quote=bamboo Nathan-
Its my job to read all the posts, thus the "mod" tag under my name.
Yes, I do "follow" around new posters that put more than 20 posts in two days. Quality control.
I can assure you that you are not on my "bad side", I ask you these questions of your background because its nice to know from whom we are taking advice. My entire background is posted on more than a few threads and am always happy to reply when questioned.
Please do not take my disagreeing with your posts as negative, its simply a difference of opinion. Now in the spirit of debate, how about you look at the points I brought up and answer those instead of assuming I am looking to get you.
As I did say- Welcome to FA.com. That was sincere, as are all my posts.
bamboo[/quote
Good for you, display all you wish about your personal life and background, knowledge and understanding speaks for itself though, anyone can claim to be anything. It's really foolish to focus on such nonsense, knowledge and understanding. And, if one is too ignorant to see knowledge and understanding in others, then of course they need a background to go on, real or not. Do you understand? Well see. Check yourself, you risk losing a valuable resource by messing with me kiddo, but I think I will leave anyhow, not very friendly here, too many big egos here.>
Post: zefff:
I hope you dont go mate. I like you...
...but I have to laugh at this:
"...anyone can claim to be anything...you risk losing a valuable resource by messing with me kiddo...too many big egos here." :lol: :lol: :lol:>
Post: bamboo:
Quote: Check yourself, you risk losing a valuable resource by messing with me kiddo, but I think I will leave anyhow, not very friendly here, too many big egos here.
Oh well then. A valuable resource that won't tell us what he studies.
I'll take that risk.>
Post: zefff:
I think he's gone. :cry:
>
Post: angryrocker4:
And he stole his screen name from an awesome novel character and putting it to shame. If I had any honor it would be offended.>
Post: NathanRahl:
[quote=bamboo
Quote: Check yourself, you risk losing a valuable resource by messing with me kiddo, but I think I will leave anyhow, not very friendly here, too many big egos here.
Oh well then. A valuable resource that won't tell us what he studies.
I'll take that risk.[/quote
Bamboo, I don't recall anyone asking me what I studied. Oh, and doe's this mean info provided is somehow less valid?
I will tell you Bamboo, I don't study any one thing alone, that way I can study everything. Anything else my label obssessed friend that you "must" know about this perfect total stranger, or no :) Good day then.>
Post: NathanRahl:
[quote=bamboo Nathan-
Please give us a little background information on yourself as you have seen fit to make quite a few judgements in many threads.
Quote: A real school will not have any pre set time limit. Also, good schools will not use a belt system, which is pretty much all of them. Some that are good do, but it is a foolish system really. belts don't kill people, people kill people.
This is plain silly. Some good schools and systems use belts and some don't. I noticed you said you studied sword for 25 years in another thread. Is this a koryu system? If so, does not the certificate system itself in fact mirror belts?
A time limit does not mean mcdojo, especially if hes not paying to wait. He does not pay to test...etc.
I find you are assuming too much and judguing too quickly. Lets hope that arrogance does not extend to the mat.
-bamboo[/quote
I have no arroagnce, your just reading your own insecurity into my words. As for the mat, I am a swordsman, and sparring I do is with hardwood, and it is not on a mat. As for my system, I don't have one, systems are foolish, as are following styles, styles are foolishness, and lead to ignorance, tool me too long to learn that. You'd be best to stop studying whatever style you are, put it aside, never bring it up again, ever, and move on to no style, would do you and your attitude a world of good I think.
Styles are inherantly bad, for many reasons. Limiting your ability tro adapt and locking fighters into pre set forms and movements are just one of many reasons why adhering to a style is a bad idea.
Leave it behind, and forget about it. Why, becauswe if not, you willa lways be referencing your old style, as will others, and then you will, often inadvertantly, find yourself falling back into it's physical teachings, which are a hinderance, not a boon.
Truth be told, there is nothing stupid about what I am saying, Bruce Lee and his work Jep Kune Do, closely mirror my own thinking. Angry rocket you are indeed very angry, and I think such would help you as well.
As for leaving behind the philosophy, your not a fool are you? I only ask because that is a large part of what martial arts are. I don't understand why no one slammed you for making such a dumb statement "Leave the philosophy out of it" but I suspect it is because your on the bashing me bandwagon, and a tow the line well known poster here, who's part of the gang. Well, jsut goe's to show that anyone can say dumb shit, but only some will be critiqued for it. Take care.>
Post: angryrocker4:
I honestly believe that was the stupidist two posts I've ever read, I can smell the bullshit coming out of my speakers.>
Post: Haas:
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Post: angryrocker4:
Them damn owls are everywhere.>
Post: angryrocker4:
[quote=NathanRahl
Styles are inherantly bad, for many reasons. Limiting your ability tro adapt and locking fighters into pre set forms and movements are just one of many reasons why adhering to a style is a bad idea.
Angry rocket you are indeed very angry, and I think such would help you as well.
As for leaving behind the philosophy, your not a fool are you? I only ask because that is a large part of what martial arts are. I don't understand why no one slammed you for making such a dumb statement "Leave the philosophy out of it" but I suspect it is because your on the bashing me bandwagon, and a tow the line well known poster here, who's part of the gang. Well, jsut goe's to show that anyone can say dumb shit, but only some will be critiqued for it. Take care.[/quote
Are you a fool? I ask because you seem to miss the point in everything. You seem to miss the point that techniques are to teach the principles, you are to learn how and why it works and not "if he does this, then I do this", that may be why you have trouble with styles. It's the principle of why the technique works and not the technique itself, child.
I think we all agree I'm angry, so?
If you've noticed, there are a few occasions where I go very much against the grain and have people strongly disagree, such as my stance on gangs and the like. I say what I think, and if it agrees with people, who cares, if it doesnt, oh well. I'm not part of the gang, I'm more like the step child no one wants to see but comes over every other weekend and people feel bad for kicking him out. I've just been around here long enough and helped a very small bit and have gained a tiny bit of tolerance.
I say leave the philosophy out of it, because you are saying crap like this, "And, if one is too ignorant to see knowledge and understanding in others, then of course they need a background to go on, real or not. Do you understand? Well see. ". And this,"belts don't kill people, people kill people.". Now if you're going to share MA related philosophy while being on topic, thats fine, but thats not the type you're sharing and sends a big WTF? and once again, I think for the 3rd time, arrogance. IF that stuff is in jest maybe allow people to get to know your sense of humor first.>
Post: NathanRahl:
[quote=angryrocker4 [quote=NathanRahl
Styles are inherantly bad, for many reasons. Limiting your ability tro adapt and locking fighters into pre set forms and movements are just one of many reasons why adhering to a style is a bad idea.
Angry rocket you are indeed very angry, and I think such would help you as well.
As for leaving behind the philosophy, your not a fool are you? I only ask because that is a large part of what martial arts are. I don't understand why no one slammed you for making such a dumb statement "Leave the philosophy out of it" but I suspect it is because your on the bashing me bandwagon, and a tow the line well known poster here, who's part of the gang. Well, jsut goe's to show that anyone can say dumb shit, but only some will be critiqued for it. Take care.[/quote
Are you a fool? I ask because you seem to miss the point in everything. You seem to miss the point that techniques are to teach the principles, you are to learn how and why it works and not "if he does this, then I do this", that may be why you have trouble with styles. It's the principle of why the technique works and not the technique itself, child.
I think we all agree I'm angry, so?
If you've noticed, there are a few occasions where I go very much against the grain and have people strongly disagree, such as my stance on gangs and the like. I say what I think, and if it agrees with people, who cares, if it doesnt, oh well. I'm not part of the gang, I'm more like the step child no one wants to see but comes over every other weekend and people feel bad for kicking him out. I've just been around here long enough and helped a very small bit and have gained a tiny bit of tolerance.
I say leave the philosophy out of it, because you are saying crap like this, "And, if one is too ignorant to see knowledge and understanding in others, then of course they need a background to go on, real or not. Do you understand? Well see. ". And this,"belts don't kill people, people kill people.". Now if you're going to share MA related philosophy while being on topic, thats fine, but thats not the type you're sharing and sends a big WTF? and once again, I think for the 3rd time, arrogance. IF that stuff is in jest maybe allow people to get to know your sense of humor first.[/quote
Angry rocker I feel sorry for you, you really don't have a clue. Viva the bullshit, and viva the minutae, Viva ;)
Oh, and I don't see any tolerance, you say pretty much anything you want. The mods erase decent posts because they don't like you, and because the post might redeem you a bit, etc, etc. Honestly, don't claim to be something your not.
You know when I was a young fool, sound familiar, I ran around to dojo after dojo being a fool, challenging every tom dick and harry who taught sword. I had had too much exposure to ego bound muscle heads, nd I felt I had something to prove to myself. Yes, some fools do still go to competitors dojos, or just a foreign dojo period, and challenge the head instructor there. Even in Japan when I was younger I thought this was a wonderful practice to hone my skill, I was really just trying to prove something.
I was almost never warmly welcomed, and on quite a few occasions the Sensei would flat out refuse, tell me to leave. I thought this made him a coward, because he could not in some way "back up" what he taught. it was only later that I realized that perhaps it was not fear, he just new it was a waste of time.
Only person you have to prove something to in the end is yourself, no one else. I don't do dumb shit like that anymore, nor do I attempt to prove anything to people like yourself. I just refuse to rise to that level, and if you don;t like it, you can leave, or ignore me, or call me a coward for not backing up such nonsense, it's all just a waste of time to me.
Honestly angry, if you ever want a free lesson, I will be mroe then hppy to acomodate, and after wards, when you see just how easily you were defeated, you can walk away, or have wisdom and pay to take my classes just like everyone else. Believe me, if you think you know anything about me from this forum you are quite wrong.>
Post: angryrocker4:
You're right, I have no clue how you can stand the smell of the shit rolling off your tongue.>
Post: NathanRahl:
[quote=angryrocker4 You're right, I have no clue how you can stand the smell of the shit rolling off your tongue.[/quote
Sorry you don't like the truth. I do doubt you have ever actually challenged anyone in your life angry, and actually showed up. I would normally say that was a good thing, but I think honestly you could do with some humility and a good ass kicking ;) I never got it, maybe you could giver it to me, cuse you sure talk tough. :)>
Post: NathanRahl:
[quote=angryrocker4 You're right, I have no clue how you can stand the smell of the shit rolling off your tongue.[/quote
Sorry you don't like the truth. I do doubt you have ever actually challenged anyone in your life angry, and actually showed up. I would normally say that was a good thing, but I think honestly you could do with some humility and a good ass kicking ;) I never got it, maybe you could give it to me, cause you sure talk tough. :) I'll give you a free lessons anytime, and that goes for anyone here. Good night.>
Post: zefff:
So Nathan has challenged AR4 and anyone here to an 'ass kicking'? I thought keyboard samurai were a dying breed? :roll:
What a low level of trolling.>
Post: angryrocker4:
Yep, and he refuses to show up. I actually get my ass beat by good honorable men everyday,oooohhhh. Big deal. But if I was a tiny and weak man like him, I'd be afraid to back up my challenges as well.
So pointing out your contradictions and BS is talking tough? Ok, come on over and I'll have us put in a show with a few hundred people watching as witnesses.>
Post: NathanRahl:
[quote=angryrocker4 Yep, and he refuses to show up. I actually get my ass beat by good honorable men everyday,oooohhhh. Big deal. But if I was a tiny and weak man like him, I'd be afraid to back up my challenges as well.
So pointing out your contradictions and BS is talking tough? Ok, come on over and I'll have us put in a show with a few hundred people watching as witnesses.[/quote
I will beat those few hundred as well, one man is as much like any other, they all die the same really. I don't refuse to show up anywhere, and there is no tradition about who picks what, you anme it or me, you just agree. You can come to china, or not. You can die, or not, you can hold your breath till you pass out, or not, entirely up to you. If you wish to bring a few hundred, so so, like I said, would kill them as well to be honest. It's not that I dislike life, I just think some people really are a complete waste of flesh. If there are any takers who want a nice stay 3 hours from xi'an, where the tera cotta warriors are, and want to learn something, fel free to come on down. If you wish to challenge me, then that can easily be arranged, as can a hole somewhere out in the desert, they have plenty of those here. Good nght ;)>
Post: bamboo:
Quote: fel free to come on down. If you wish to challenge me, then that can easily be arranged, as can a hole somewhere out in the desert, they have plenty of those here. Good nght
Wow, internet death threats. :roll:>
Post: NathanRahl:
[quote=bamboo
Quote: fel free to come on down. If you wish to challenge me, then that can easily be arranged, as can a hole somewhere out in the desert, they have plenty of those here. Good nght
Wow, internet death threats. :roll:[/quote
You think someone asking me to meet them and fight with a sword in their backyard is going to end in anything else? Death is implied, duh.>
Post: zefff:
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAA!!!!!
Hmmm...I wonder what Nathan might taste like? I can imagine the smell of him as he roasts but not sure about the taste.>
Post: angryrocker4:
I like how he assumes its going to be a sword fight lol. But yes, I'm going to shove a pole through his ass and out his mouth like a pig. I'm not asking, Im answering your challenge. But why would you threaten innocent bystanders nathan? I cannot wait til my master tastes your soul. You are marked.>
Post: lakan_sampu:
omg, natan's marked by a viking. If I were him, I'll practice sodomy so having a pole stuck to my ass is not that painful. :D
Zefff seems to be influenced by AR4 this time. Exciting...I wonder how AR4 would finish the duel, maybe like Kull-the-conqueror style... :twisted:
Although I would like nathan to be beheaded by a head hunter in the northern Philippines, have his head stuck on a buffalo's horn and after 3 days, be boiled in a jar of water for hours. Then have his lower jaw not as a handle for gongs like they usually do but as a doorknob on the bathroom door.
:twisted:
seriously, he's one new kind of troll that visisted this site. again, where on earth is TTT?>
Post: zefff:
[quote=lakan_sampu
Although I would like nathan to be beheaded by a head hunter in the northern Philippines, have his head stuck on a buffalo's horn and after 3 days, be boiled in a jar of water for hours. Then have his lower jaw not as a handle for gongs like they usually do but as a doorknob on the bathroom door.
:twisted: [/quote
Okay Im getting up from the table...I cant compete with that. :lol:
[quote=lakan_sampu seriously, he's one new kind of troll that visisted this site. again, where on earth is TTT?[/quote
Probably is Des, although I really dont think so. Des is clever, more complex and more ferocious in his posting style.>
Post: bamboo:
Mr. Rahl's Ip addresses are all in beijing china.
He was a special kind of troll.
You know, the sad thing is that had his ego and paranoia not been so out of control, I'll bet he would have made an interesting addition to this community.
-bamboo>
Post: angryrocker4:
[quote=lakan_sampu omg, natan's marked by a viking. If I were him, I'll practice sodomy so having a pole stuck to my ass is not that painful. :D
Zefff seems to be influenced by AR4 this time. Exciting...I wonder how AR4 would finish the duel, maybe like Kull-the-conqueror style... :twisted:
Although I would like nathan to be beheaded by a head hunter in the northern Philippines, have his head stuck on a buffalo's horn and after 3 days, be boiled in a jar of water for hours. Then have his lower jaw not as a handle for gongs like they usually do but as a doorknob on the bathroom door.
:twisted:
[/quote One problem, he's dead after the beheading! Where's the suffering where he curses his god(s)? :twisted:
It wouldnt be much of a duel, mainly peeling his flesh off slowly so he doesnt go into shock, and then making it into bubble gum and feeding him his own chewy fat to keep him alive and in pain. Then you slowly sever parts of him and put on tourniquets so he doesnt bleed to death, and then you stone him with his own bones.
Now thats viking. :twisted: :twisted:>
Post: zefff:
AR4, I am so glad I got up from the table before u posted that! :lol:
As for Beijing, I had a funny feeling about that. I have so many freinds there right now its unreal. I agree with Bamboo about Nathan being an interesting troll/member.>
Post: angryrocker4:
You act like thats disgusting or something, just wait til I really get goin. :twisted:>
Post: Bloodybirds:
Thank you Lakan!! That reminds me of my 8 years married to a great Filipina from the Bisayan (sorry if the spelling is incorrect!) and metro Manila area who I met while working on Wall Street and training in NYC during the 80s. We have two kids....unfortunately she is in NJ and I am in Texas and her mother is a bad Dragon Lady!!! In any event, she told me that in her area, if a man was caught molesting or raping a child, they would make an X out of wood, nail him to it, cut off his gonads, cook them, and make him eat them before they gutted him. Sure cut down on the incidents of that in that part of the PI, at least that is what she told me happened in her childhood 30 years ago. Soooo....learned a valuable lesson, do not piss of an adept Filipino practicing espada y espada before dinner!!!! Although a kung fu and tai chi practitioner, I have always admired the weapons of the Filipino arts.
Angry, you da man!!!>
Post: lakan_sampu:
no, he's not Des...(am I getting it right..o boy..)
about what I posted (head hunters), I just remembered the time we were having an immersion in Northern Luzon here in the Philippines w/c I also mentioned here...>
Post: angryrocker4:
They dont do the hand tattoo thing anymore though, right?>
Post: dscott:
[quote=bamboo
You know, the sad thing is that had his ego and paranoia not been so out of control, I'll bet he would have made an interesting addition to this community.
-bamboo[/quote
I completely agree. Several members even told him that. You could tell he was intelligent and knowledgable. His ego just got in the way.>
Post: lakan_sampu:
I saw old folks from there having tattoos from the back of their hands extending to their backs. There were the former warrior class of their tribe. The tattoos, we were told, were artistic letterings of the names of the opponents they have defeated or killed. I just wonder if they also included there the Japanese that they killed during WWII...>
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