No touch??
Original Poster: bamboo
Forum: McDojo Dicussion
Posted On: 04-09-2005, 05:50
Orginal Post: bamboo: http://www.kyusho.com/chadseibert1.mpg :shock:
O.k., if you are in a training facility and your instructor demonstrates this sort of thing (of course always with a senior student :roll: ), ask him to do it to you and tell us all about it.
IMHO, this gives martial arts, the soft ones in paticular a really bad name.
-bamboo
Post: Gong||Jau:
I agree. Incidentally, a guy who lives near me in the dorms was telling me how his Wing Chun sigung (he studied for about a year) demonstrated a move where he pulled him forward without touching him. I know this stuff doesn't actually exist, so I can only assume that it is the result of a mind trick (I mean like the guy leaned forward because of the suspense or something, not like a Jedi :wink:).>
Post: NeverMan:
This guy in the dorm is obviously full of it and was probably lying to you to try and impress you with his "magical tales of Kung Fu". Give me a break. People like this need to get a girlfriend or something so they can get the attention they desire.>
Post: Gong||Jau:
Brilliant assessment. You know him much better than I do, so you would know whether or not he was just trying to impress me with his "magical tales of kung fu". He's not that sort of person.>
Post: NeverMan:
Oh, Im sorry. It must have actually happened then. :roll: :roll:>
Post: Gong||Jau:
[quote=I I know this stuff doesn't actually exist...[/quote
Umm... as you can see, that wasn't my point :roll:>
Post: setsu nin to:
I know for Kyusho-jitsu for a long time. To be honest its nothing new. Its interesting how many people dont belive in it, but they belive in acupuncture. There is many elements of it in Kyusho-jitsu. Many people belive in Dim Mart, but not in Kyusho-jitsu which is same thing. Kyusho-jitsu is based on diferent cainds of presure pointsPresure points which attack nervs, muscles, bones, blod sistem, vital organs, joins...
I posted long time ago thread about Kyusho-jitsu, Evan Pantazi, Sebastian Deibe... in old forum. As I posted there Kyusho-jitsu is realy interesting to me, but in my opinion they mixed to many things in it.
"No touch" techniques are maybe 1% of all art, so we cant talk only about them as about all art. These techniques are based on energy and transmision of energy.>
Post: bamboo:
I have no problem at all with kyusho-jutsu, in fact I think its an important part of many grappling and throw based waza. Its the preconditioning that goes on where students that did not feel anithing suddenly do and for no good reason other than they have seen others fall so many times that they themselves start to do it.
Pressure points, nerve attacks, all of that I believe in ( i would be a hippocrate to go for acupressure and then tell people that pressure points do not exist), I just don't like the falling at a distance a la yellow bamboo.
cheers,
bamboo>
Post: setsu nin to:
Yes, Mr. bamboo I have to admit that I dont like that "distance" idea too. But its nothing unusual, you may finde much about it in Chinese and Japanese martial arts. Problem is becouse you cant finde much about it in internet so moust of people are too lazy to even try to finde something about it outside the net.>
Post: bamboo:
Another thing about this type of art tha has given it a very bad reputation in north america is its affiliation which such groups as the juko-kai and a certain prof. Rod Sacharnovsky. Most of the stuff we find on the internet about kyushojutsu is nothing more than marketing scams.
-bamboo>
Post: setsu nin to:
Also there war popular in some Japanese schools art of hipnoses.>
Post: Wilhelm von Wänkensteïn:
Mind you, my mom used to have that kind of effect on me when I was little - she'd scream at me and then I'd curl into a foetal ball and whimper because I knew the great granddaddy of all beatdowns would follow shortly after :lol:>
Post: setsu nin to:
Just to mention that there are Kyusho-jitsu as school/style and Kyushojutsu as marial art. Bouth are based on pressure points. Also these "no touch" techniques I would rather put generaly in Genjutsu that in Kyushojutsu.>
Post: thebgbb:
[quote=setsu nin to Just to mention that there are Kyusho-jitsu as school/style and Kyushojutsu as marial art. Bouth are based on pressure points. Also these "no touch" techniques I would rather put generaly in Genjutsu that in Kyushojutsu.[/quote
Really? I would put them in the category of bullshido. :wink:>
Post: ppko:
I am here to say that the No Touch Knock-outs do work and have first hand experience with this now they may not work on everyone just as some pressure points might work really well on you but not on me the energy is true>
Post: Gong||Jau:
Have you ever performed one on someone who was trying to hurt you?>
Post: bamboo:
Quote: this now they may not work on everyone just as some pressure points might work really well on you but not on me the energy is true
This is the part I don't get. A joint lock works, a punch in the head is universal, but energy flow techniques do not work on everyone? Why do they usually only demonstrate on students of the school and when they do venture out to try it on a martial artist theres always a reason why it won't work.
This is not a personal attack PPKO, this is questioning the claims that these pratitioners have made. Maybe you can clear up some misconceptions that some us have?
-bamboo>
Post: Ninja Kl0wn:
[quote=ppko I am here to say that the No Touch Knock-outs do work and have first hand experience with this now they may not work on everyone just as some pressure points might work really well on you but not on me the energy is true[/quote
Of course they don't work on everyone. Not everyone knows that they're supposed to fall down.>
Post: ppko:
First off no I have not used these on anyone in a real fight as I have just started messing around with it but I like many of you was skeptical about the no touch when I first had this done to me I was not a student of the instructor that did this to me but I can also say that not every joint ock will work as I am extremely flexible on my joints and most poeple cannot get a joint lock on me but that doesn't mean that we should just discard this as junk but maybe try on different poeple if it works on a few than its worth keeping>
Post: NeverMan:
[quote=ppko I am here to say that the No Touch Knock-outs do work and have first hand experience with this now they may not work on everyone just as some pressure points might work really well on you but not on me the energy is true[/quote
Well, until I get first hand experience with it, I am going to also put it in the category of bullshido.>
Post: Bushi:
I agree "no touch" knockouts work. The reason why they work is sociopsychological manipulation. It is a peer pressure type hypnosis. The reason why it worked on you PPKO is because you most likely worship your instructor and generally have a mental disposition that makes you ultra-vulnerable to the power of suggestion. Just like a preacher "laying on Hands"
Enjoy your delusions. :D
Disclaimer: Sorry this $hit gets under my skin.>
Post: ppko:
first of all bushi you dont know me so don't act like you do I have not made any personal attacks on anyone in this room I would like to know who you train with that makes you an expert until you meet me dont act like you know me>
Post: ...formless...:
I'd just like to point out that when attempting to gain any sort of credibility at a forum of this kind especially when talking about subjects such as the no touch KO that it works best when you coherently piece together letters into words and then words into sentences designated with those magical little dots called periods so that people don't think you sound like a mindless uneducated 12 year-old drone who thinks that someone actually knocked him out without touching him
Bearing this all in mind, would you care to substantiate your claims somehow ppko? What are you studying, with whom, and why in gods name do you think that someone knocked you out without touching you? Please, let us get to know you so we have an idea of where these amazing claims are coming from
Finally, one need not be an expert to recognize that no touch KO's are complete and utter bullshit. If you need an example, try looking at the BJJ vs. Dim Mak thread in this forum. Should that happen to be your school in the news clip well...that would be really really hillarious :mrgreen:>
Post: Bushi:
Hey PPKO, I hate to tell you this, but Santa Clause is not real and neither is "no touch" Knockouts. Ashida Kim is looking for guys like you to train.
Its BS teachings like those that give TMAs a bad wrap.>
Post: ppko:
first off I study with Grandmaster T.A. Frazer on of Grandmaster George Dillmans top three and that is really all the credibility I need if you mindless b******s dont waht to believe then that is your on problem but my discussions are over I dont make personal attacks and just wanted some people that had an open mind but its obvious that this is a forum that doesn't contain tnose types of poeple and you are the types of poeple that train blackbelts that go out to the real world get whupped by a street punk>
Post: setsu nin to:
I used some pressure points in real fight and they always works. These points were from not dengerous points whitch just couse lot of pain to some points that couse realy demage and that are realy dengerous. Some points doest work to everyone, but they wouldnt work on one from milion people. Problem is becouse moust people think tat is they have body map with pressure points marked on it that they know how to use them, which is totaly wrong. Also there are many Senseis who teach it, but they dont know almoust nothing about it.>
Post: ...formless...:
:lol: Well what do you know...just like the flipping fairy in the Dim Mak vs. BJJ video another student of George Dillhole is teaching unbelievable bullshit to "open-minded" kids :roll:
Whats really sad is those kids in the video are STILL in denial after getting a first hand glimpse into the reality of their teachers bullshit. I mean, whats it gonna take for reality to sink in? The lying sack of shit couldn't even pull off a touch KO, much less a no touch KO and I happen to believe that somewhere in some form people CAN be knocked out by touch KO's.>
Post: ppko:
formless I would like to know where you get all your great information beings your are such an expert hey I know why dont you come to a george dillman seminar and say that to hiis face oh yeah you are to big of a p****>
Post: ...formless...:
http://www.fightauthority.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=875
Watch the video..its great!>
Post: bamboo:
"Come to a seminar" and watch them do it to thier own students is not proof. Bushi is right, its nothing more than manipulation and a group mentality.
Show up at a gym/kwoon/dojo and throw some guys you don't know from a distance and i'll believe you. People that have the intention to hit you are very different from those looking to be "distrupted" while moving forward, they never had the intention to attack in the first place, they just want to believe.
-bamboo>
Post: ppko:
Not everyone does it to thier own students have you ever been to a george dillman camp or seminar or are you just making assumptions>
Post: bamboo:
Every demonstration I have seen has been on someone that wants to believe, and thats my point.
Show up where noone buys it and then make it happen. I'm not saying that these teachers are out pretending, its fairly obvious from the video linked previously that that teacher really has faith, but look what happened when he tried it on a jujutsu guy. When it failed, he pretty much convinced himself that the guy had superious mental skills.
-bamboo>
Post: ppko:
you still havent answered my questions because withiout going you never know George does seminars all over the world he has the most recognizible patch in the world go to a seminar then make your decision>
Post: 8LimbsScientist:
ppko = MartialArtist?
Neither of them know how to use periods.>
Post: setsu nin to:
Pressure points are impresive thing and many people whants to impress other martial artists with their knowledge about pressure points. Unfortunatly there are just few people that I saw outside the Japan who have some knowledge about it. who finde some pressure points in some book and think that they know all about it.>
Post: ppko:
setsu nin to
are you talking about me because if you know anything at all about pressure points you would know that the tibetans were the first to discover them and I do not get my knowledge from any book but from one of George Dillmans top three and if you have studied pressure points at all you know who he is>
Post: bamboo:
PPKO, I thought you could read into my responses to see that I did not and would not ever attend one of his seminars. I don't need to spend my hard earned cash to see a demonstration, I have seen plenty of footage of him.
So he teaches all over the world and has great marketing, that means what? A patch does not mean you have skills.
-bamboo>
Post: ppko:
its unfortunate that there are closed minded people in this world who would rather not give it a chance than to go see it happen I mean I guess that just because he helped train Muhhamed Ali and trained a lot with Bruce Lee, not to mention Hohan Soken, Wally Jay, Leon Jay, Remy Presas, and anybody who is anybody well then I gues you can keep believing what you do but those of us who actually know something about the martial arts will continue to grow while the rest of you don't>
Post: setsu nin to:
ppko
No, I was talking to you same sa to anyone else.
BTW, first presure points are finde while people were in cave, much before they know even what pressure point is...>
Post: bamboo:
PPKO,
I think your getting confused. I'm refering to throws that don't ever touch anyone, not unbalancing but people knocking people down with energy blasts. George dillman and whoever he taught are not whats being discussed. How about actually discussing how it would work if we all assumed that it was real?
-bamboo>
Post: ppko:
Bamboo,
The problem that I have is not with you but the people that have attacked me on a personal basis. I am not for sure how the no touch works but I know it does work. I like many of you was a skeptic until it was done to me. The only thing that I can guess that it does is it disrupts your energy when you project your energy out on the other persons pressure points. Some people are more vulnerable than others I am very vunerable to certain areas. The thing that you have to realize is that even if you don't get a knock out you have weakened their points and they are now very vulnerable to your strikes after it is done. We have done several tests with people hooked up to medical devices to make sure that the people were not faking ( and these are at universities, hospitals....).So any way you guys keep believing what you do and no hard feelings.
PPKO>
Post: straydog:
bullshido. these things work on adoring, wide-eyed, compliant students or on accomplices making videos, no one else.>
Post: straydog:
ppko, what hospitals and universities, and what devices did you use, and when were these tests done? there must have been a paper on them if they turned the results you claim. after all, hospitals and universities don't just let people use their medical equipment for the fun of it. i would like to read those papers.
were these test subjects facing the person who was throwing the energy at them? it would make a huge difference in the results if they weren't able to see or hear the guy who was 'hitting' them. a carefully devised test would take this into account. it would also use a random sampling of the population. so you would take joe blow off the street, have him stand with his back to the sifu/sensei, with his ears plugged, and then see what energy blasts can be directed at him that will cause him to stagger or collapse. be certain to film the tests, and make recordings of the readings on the instruments you use. this would lend credibility to the claims, but the absence of these procedures and any published results in a scientific forum leads me back to my original conclusion.>
Post: ppko:
the university of virginia medical school for one but I am not for sure what devices were used as I have not been a part of these testings yet but I am sure you can find things on these knock outs but as I said before some people are more vulnerable than others>
Post: wuming:
PPKO,
Have you ever heard of the placebo effect? I am sure you have so I am going to get straight to my point.
1. Have you heard about the technique before someone did it to you?
2. Did you know that this person was going to use the technique?
3. Did you know how the technique worked?
If you answer yes to either of the three, there is a possiblity that your were "tricked" to beleivet that this would happen, so your body followed your mind.
Another question...
Were the studies done at UVA double-blind studies where neither the tester nor the person recieving the blow knew what was going to happen. If this is not the case, then the studies are worthless and don't rule out the placebo effect.>
Post: ppko:
I can honestly answer no to all those questions but on the uva testing they both knew what was going to happen. UVA asked for us to do so, so they can study the effects of the no touch>
Post: Gong||Jau:
If the tests weren't double blind, it's possible that they were testing something else and using the no-touch strikes as a means to test it.>
Post: CreativeFighter:
[quote=ppko its unfortunate that there are closed minded people in this world who would rather not give it a chance than to go see it happen I mean I guess that just because he helped train Muhhamed Ali and trained a lot with Bruce Lee, not to mention Hohan Soken, Wally Jay, Leon Jay, Remy Presas, and anybody who is anybody well then I gues you can keep believing what you do but those of us who actually know something about the martial arts will continue to grow while the rest of you don't[/quote
This has gone to far. You say that George Dillman has studied with Bruce Lee? Yes, he has, as a top karate competitor, not a bullshit-pressure point fighter. He asked Bruce if he knew any pressure points that could bring someone down, and Bruce just laughed and walked away.
Great training.
His "extensive training" with so many other greats is limited to occasional one on one out of pure, mutual respect and formality. Either that, or the man attends a kali seminar.
So, let me guess. You're trying to say that he trained with all the greats, took some boxing from Ali, some JKD from Lee, some Kali from Remy Presas, and he came up with a technique that defies all laws of physics and motion and can knock someone out without making so much as slight contact with them?
You bottom feeder. Don't preach this, above all, do not preach this.
The University of Virginia, having two relatives that have graduated from there, and having personally spent two summers and a spring break in the actual class rooms, both law and medical, I can tell you that they are willing to try anything. I once saw them experimenting on the effect of thought on the movement of a bovine. No kidding. You're in great company.
Let me throw some basic psychology in here.
You walk in, there's plenty of hype. Students are getting knocked down by this invisible energy, and you're purely amazed. You want to believe it, you need to believe it, it gives you something. Quite naturally, with all this hype, you push yourself into a state of denial, and as your brain controls the rest of your body, you naturally freak out when the "energy" hits you. Funny how it never works on cold-hard skeptics. Ever.
If you are right, then I salute you. You may truly be a pioneer, and if what you claim is true, then perhaps in a few years we can study the Arts without any contact whatsoever. The Force is the only thing trained.
Second thought, I prefer contact.
Blow me.>
Post: Ninja Kl0wn:
Do any of you (with the exception of ppko) honestly believe in no-touch ko's? No? Then why is everyone making such a big deal about something we all believe to be a farce?
This is what annoys me about this forum sometimes. These pointless threads that amount to little more than "yes I can, no you can't, yes I can, no you can't" go on for 10+ pages, while in general threads about combat theory, training drills, strength training, philosophy, history, etc rarely make it past a few pages.
/end rant>
Post: CreativeFighter:
Last time I started a thread about philosophy I got about 10 death threats through PMs.
Its someone else's turn.>
Post: ppko:
Creative Fighter,
First off lets get one thing straight George learned trapping hands from Bruce, and Bruce learned nunchucka from george. The only conversation they ever had about pressure points was when Bruce told George that their are pressure points on the body and he was going to find out about them, he never laughed at George I don't know where you get your info. from but try a knowledgeable source next time. Second of all Ali took Karate from George why would Ali sell his training facility to George for only 100,000 dollars, hum lets see maybe because they were good friends. Remy and George were really good friends and I really don't believe that you know enough about him to make any assumptions about his friendship to George it's a well known fact that these two great pioneers exchanged info. all the time. I never said that he learned any of this from any of the above named people, my point was only to imply that if he is such a bad Martial Artist and these are BS then why would all these people be friends with him and train with him on a regular basis. They wouldn't and he also wouldn't have as big of a following. But hey you keep believing what you do or come train with someone that can show you something new and hey it might even work. If you trully don't believe in it then come to a seminar prove that it doesn't work walk up to George tell him to his face and stop being a p****.>
Post: Bushi:
Great Link to explore lies and half-truths of George Dillman www.smoka-usa.com
Go into the earn rank tab. Also explore the lineage link and click on Dillman to get a laugh.>
Post: wuming:
[quote=ppko I can honestly answer no to all those questions but on the uva testing they both knew what was going to happen. UVA asked for us to do so, so they can study the effects of the no touch[/quote
Well if the person being attacked knew what was going to happen then that kind of nullifies the whole test b/c it doesn't not rule out the placebo effect -- especially if you as a student of the style was the guy being attacked. This experiment is practically worthless.>
Post: ppko:
No you are practically worthless as a martial artist and so are the rest of you close minded individuals>
Post: setsu nin to:
ppko you are martial artist arnt you? I cant belive that martial artist is back :lol:>
Post: ppko:
My point on this subject is not that I am better than anyone else in here but I don't understand how you can just throw out these testings I am sorry for my last post as I am little touchy with this subject as I have been attacked since day one on it I wish you all the best in finding whatever it is you are looking for.>
Post: wuming:
[quote=ppko No you are practically worthless as a martial artist and so are the rest of you close minded individuals[/quote
Ok, ppko, I was just trying to make a point in an argument. There was no need for you to attack me if you couldn't defend your argument.>
Post: wuming:
[quote=ppko My point on this subject is not that I am better than anyone else in here but I don't understand how you can just throw out these testings I am sorry for my last post as I am little touchy with this subject as I have been attacked since day one on it I wish you all the best in finding whatever it is you are looking for.[/quote
I understand that the testings mean something, but the experiment is flawed. These things happen all the time. I am a psychology major and I understand a good deal on how to make a valid experiment. This experiment should have been a double blind study. You should have tested random people off the street and not told them what was going to happen. That way, the mind can not trick the body into "falling" for the move. You must account for the placebo effect, if not, you do not know whether or not the technique actually physically worked or if it was a mind trick. That is why the experiment is invalid.
P.S. I am not trying to attack you, I am just trying to prove this thing to be either real or fake. I have not said one discriminatory remark towards you. In fact, you are the one who attacked me.>
Post: ppko:
I realize that and I am sorry like I said earlier I have been attacked the whole time and just took yours as an attack as well. I appreciate your input and wish you the best>
Post: Tigerstyle15:
Ok, let me offer some of my own thought and experiences. Personally I have seen George Dillman video on his web site. There is no real proof that what he is doing is real or that it is fake. As a skeptic my inclination is to think its a bunch of bull#*%!
However, I was knocked out by an instructor who used "pressure points" on me. However, he hit me fairly hard on the back of my neck and on my nose as I rushed him for a BJJ takedown.
My opinion is yes pressure points exist, some however, exploit it and fool people wiht this mass hysteria Benny Hin type stuff. I have no real proof that no touch stuff works, nor do I think anyone does.
However, if you can prove me wrong go ahead.>
Post: Gong||Jau:
Of course pressure points exist. Take your two fingers and place them side by side next to your elbow (forearm side) in the direction of your wrist. Take your finger and thumb and squeeze that spot. That's a pressure point. The question isn't whether they're real, it's whether you understand them well enough to use them in a fight, and whether they can be used to cause a knockout.>
Post: setsu nin to:
The question isn't whether they're real, it's whether you understand them well enough to use them in a fight, and whether they can be used to cause a knockout.
Amen to that!>
Post: Tigerstyle15:
No arguments with you on your point. I do think that some can cause a knock out, but most of the guys out there doing them have a very superficial understanding of pressure points.
I for one will stay away from them; from my limited understanding pressure points can be a very dangerous thing and effect the nervous system to get results such as a "knock out">
Post: thebgbb:
When I was in Orlando I sparred with a guy who believed that he knew all of these pressure points. He also told ridiculous stories about these flying triple kick techniques that he has done to people in fights. His fighting stance also looked like something that Scorpion would use in the first Mortal Kombat video game.
One time we were sparring, and I took him to the ground. He was pretty much taken by surprise and had no idea what to do. I had to remind him to tap as I started extending his vertibrae with a neck crank.
Anyway (getting back to the point of this thread), the second time I took him to the ground he tried hitting this pressure point that he had been telling me about just behind the jaw line. He would jam his thumb in there thinking that it would completely paralyse me. I took that arm and gave him an armbar for his troubles. The next few times he kept trying to get that pressure point, and every time I slipped his thumb (that just sounds funny, doesn't it), and slapped on an armbar.
The point that I am trying to make here is that he believe that the pressure point would work, but he never tried it against a resisting opponent. I would be willing to bet that if George Dillman or any of his students tried to spar with the guys from that BJJ school, they would learn the same thing. If you can't do it against a resisting opponent who doesn't believe in it, then it is most likely bullshido.>
Post: Blade:
Just because something doenst follow existing laws doesnt mean its not real.
Btw a guy from my class thinks he can paralyze a guy by a muay thai pressure point behinde the neck, he tries it all the time on everyone here...>
Post: Bushi:
I did the exact same thing to a guy I spared with at a Law Enforcement Academy. I had him in Kesa Gatame (scarf hold) and he kept trying to ram his finger into my eye. I just switched my hips and pushed the arm into my legs for an Leg assisted arm lock. He tried that thumb on my neck pressure point after I got Yoko Shiho (side control). I just pushed it down into a Ude-Garami (kimura/ Arm entanglement). I think his eyes got opened to the limitations of pressure points. The key I think is: YOU MUST FIRST LEARN HOW TO FIGHT BEFORE LEARNING THOSE TECHNIQUES.>
Post: Bushi:
[quote=Blade Just because something doenst follow existing laws doesnt mean its not real.
Btw a guy from my class thinks he can paralyze a guy by a muay thai pressure point behinde the neck, he tries it all the time on everyone here...[/quote
I have never heard of a paralyzing Muay Thai neck pressure point. Sounds like he is full of $hit. :roll:>
Post: Gong||Jau:
Excellent post Bushi. Pressure points work fine. The problem is, they're not a cover-all, and they're not an equalizer. If someone is a better fighter than you, they're still going to kick your ass regardless of how many pressure points you know. If, on the other hand, you are able to control them and move them around, then pressure points give you good targets to end the fight. They're icing on the cake, not the cake, ice cream and plate.
You can't expect to escape a compromising position just by jamming your thumb into someone's jaw line. However, if you've got your arm on the back of their neck anyway, poking them there makes it a lot easier to move into something else because of the momentary shock.>
Post: Blade:
Offcourse you haven't its secret :!:
Like you said you must learn to fight before learning some crazy pralayzing combos. when is a finger to any nasty place no enougth ?
people who learn such things so early are definately not serious, same with people who start training with 5 different weapons at once, same with people who learn a whole bunch of everything in a few lessons.
But that does not mean these kinds of things dont exist or work.
Like Gong Sau said, its the icing on the cake not the base of the cake, the same way it is with locks , throws , joint manipulations , traps in wing chun
you only do it if its presented to you and just asking for it.>
Post: Tigerstyle15:
Quote:
They're icing on the cake, not the cake, ice cream and plate.
Best thing I've read in this thread so far.>
Post: thebgbb:
I actually started thinking a lot about that pressure point. I knew that, if I pushed on that area, it would really hurt. So I got to thinking "Why is it that it bothers me when I do it, but it doesn't bother me when he does it?" After a while I came to realize the answer: When I push it I'm not trying to get away. When he does it I just move my head and the pressure is gone.
A few days later I showed HIM why his pressure point wasn't working: all I had to do was move my head back. If my head were in a position where I couldn't move it, though, it would probably have a significant effect on me. I took him to the ground, got a secure mount, immobilized his head with what would have been a neck crank, and then jammed my thumb behind his jaw. He tapped out quickly, and started to talk about that pressure point again (Shortly after that, I was wishing that I had never told him how to make it work).
Unfortunately for him, he never got into a position where he could get me with it because his ground game sucked. Still, it showed that the pressure point itself wasn't immobilizing; it simply added a great deal of pain to an already immobilized target. I think the same can be said of all pressure points.>
Post: bamboo:
Bushi wrote:
Quote: YOU MUST FIRST LEARN HOW TO FIGHT BEFORE LEARNING THOSE TECHNIQUES.
Cheers Bushi, A little sense thrown into the arguement. :)
If the opposite were true, every doctor, accupressurist and gym teacher would be great fighters since they have the knowledge.
As I found out very quickly, not everyone feels the same pain all the time. I have a guy in the dojo that feels nothing when applying pressure on the ulna nerve, I on the other hand feel it right away, but can ignore the pain as its something you get used to after practicing it many, many times.
A seasoned fighter is not going down because of a quick, sharp pain. To use it you have to maintain it, not many people will simply allow the technique to go on.
-bamboo>
Post: Bushi:
I get lucky sometimes :D>
Post: thebgbb:
[quote=Bushi I get lucky sometimes :D[/quote
Law of averages. :wink:>
Post: shurite44:
One word, Silly.
I know the guys that do this "HOKEEDO". It is a bunch of BS. The only person it works on are there own students and that is due to the fact the only ones that hang around for this silly training are the ones with weak minds.>
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