European medieval wrestling and it's applications for NHB
Original Poster: Ninja Kl0wn
Forum: Others
Posted On: 22-11-2004, 01:35
Orginal Post: Ninja Kl0wn: Just trying to spark discussion, since this is a pretty dead part of the forum here.
After recently rereading alot of old manuals, I noticed a whole lot of the actual techniques appeared extremely similar to those in the southeast Asian arts. While they're all geared toward reality defense (let's not forget the classic "defense against someone throwing a beer mug at you"), many of them, most notably the leg sweeps of Glima, appear to have a broad base of techniques that would even be applicable in an NHB setting.
Look at Petter's "Clear Instructions on the Excellent Art of Wrestling" as an example. There are multiple b shown, including ankle locks on a downed opponent, but the emphasis seems to be heavily on standing arm locks. This seems to be a recurring theme across the EMMA spectrum, as Liberi emphasises the standing arm locks as well. It's the takedowns though that appear most useful to the mixed martial artist. Many of them leave the opponent in a position that could easily allow for a triangle or a rnc to be applied against them.
So, do you think the average NHB fighter could benefit by supplementing EMMA wrestling to his game? How much of it do you feel would need to be modified to fit in that environment?
Post: Tease T Tickle:
To properly use arm locks in the midst of a stand up striking fight requires a good deal of hand-eye coordination and hand quickness. It would also require open hands being thrown quickly towards the opponent at high intensity, meaning that there might be a greater tendency towards open handed strikes, as people will try to find a suitable platform for both strikes and potential locks.>
Post: MA dude:
Where can I find more information on these wrestling arts you mentioned?>
Post: Hengest:
[quote=MA dude Where can I find more information on these wrestling arts you mentioned?[/quote
The AEMMA's website is probably the best place to start. Lots of mediaeval manuals on various arts. For wrestling, check out Liberi and Talhoffer, both of which, I think, are still free to view:
http://www.aemma.org/library_top.htm
A copy of Nicolaes Petter's manual (my personal favourite) can be found at:
http://perso.club-internet.fr/jfgilles/escrime/bibliotheque/petter/
And, though not strictly mediaeval, there's more western wrestling info at:
http://www.geocities.com/athens/acropolis/4933/westernarts.html>
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