hardest peoples
Original Poster: DARKTIM
Forum: Others
Posted On: 23-11-2005, 22:12
Orginal Post: DARKTIM: i had a sit down and a ponder the other day. which i often do. and i was thinking which race of people are the hardest?
in my judo days the guy who was our sensei, matt clempner, is the presedent of sambo over here in the uk. and he invited i think it was his teachers over here. but anyway the top dog was a guy called commander alexander ivanovich. to look at this guy you knew he was rock hard. small stocky build, white hair and peicing blue eyes. the other two guys who came were massive. one was built like a fuckin gorilla, tall, hairy, massive hands. the other was bout 5'11 and was solid muscule. you could feel how hard they were just by looking at them. there version of a gental hold was "ill cut your blood off gripp" we pucnched them kicked them and they didnt move all they said was "gud, gud, again!!"
so russians in my eyes are hard but what about the rest? who do yu think the hadest races are and why?
DT
Post: Ninja Kl0wn:
In general most animals from northern climates are naturally hardier than thier warm climate cousins. Same with humans, which is one of the reasons why the Vikings were able to just steamroll over everyone in the early middle ages. They were a foot taller and twice as heavy as the guys they were up against.
Edit: In case you two were wondering, it was me who wiped out your posts.>
Post: zefff:
WTF! :lol: people adapt. We are as hard as we need to be. If life is easy, we will be soft.
WTF makes one race 'hard' and another soft? The race considered 'hard' in its environment, might not be so tough in another extreme environment. IMHO races are not 'hard'. People are. Ive seen mates go away to the army as scrawney gits and come back man-mountains. It is conditioning to thier environment that made them hard. We all have the genes for adaptability within us because we are all related. No-one race is harder cos we are all adapted for survival in situ and we have done so. That is success and the only point that counts.>
Post: bamboo:
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Quote: IMHO races are not 'hard'. People are
Post: 8LimbsScientist:
I think in modern days one race or another might "appear" harder according to our limited perception due to that races socioeconomic status in the society.
In other words, in America, many people consider blacks and hispanics as naturally prone to crime and scarier than caucasians. Well in reality this isn't the case. Its much safer to assume that EVERY race is hard as hell and work from there, than to assign a person attributes due to their race which they might not necessarily carry.
What if you were in a bar and you saw some small white guy at a bar and he didn't look to tough and you decided to pick on him, and he ended up being Mickey Ward or Arturo Gatti? What if you decided all asians are computer nerds, and you decide to pick on the pretty-boy metrosexual looking asian guy over in the corner and it turns out to be Masato?
Or worst of all...what if you had the misfortune of picking on a short little Puerto Rican guy and he turned out to be the 8 Limbs Scientist? :twisted:>
Post: Stg:
i'd laugh and feed him bacalao :mrgreen:>
Post: Blade:
:lol:
Definately agree. we have this short guy that smiles all the time and looks really calm and nice and all that, white , blonde , blue eyes
but when you see him work its jaw dropping, he's one of the most incredible martial artists ive met, he's calm and deadly as hell. sure wouldent wana bump into him on the street.
and he's Ukrainian, not stocky or tall or a gorilla :wink:>
Post: Italian Monk:
A person is as a person does ...
I think 'LIFE' helps makes us whom we are ... and how we adapt to it ... and overcome it.
IMHO,
Humbly,>
Post: Gong||Jau:
I've met several people who could probably kill me while I was still on my feet, and none of them look particularly imposing, so I just try to stay out of sh!t with everybody. And, yes, I agree with 8LS' point about socioeconomic standing being more relevant than race. There's also location. Who would you rather fight: a Nordic guy from suburbia, or a Frenchman from Detroit? (For the record: I have nothing against the French; it just seemed like a good example :mrgreen:).>
Post: 8LimbsScientist:
[quote=Stg i'd laugh and feed him bacalao :mrgreen:[/quote
I HATE that stuff. LOL, and what gave you the idea that you could just feed me stuff like an animal! Like if a bunch of Puerto Ricans were chasing you, you could just start throwing rice behind you to scatter us.>
Post: Ninja Kl0wn:
[quote=8LimbsScientist Like if a bunch of Puerto Ricans were chasing you, you could just start throwing rice behind you to scatter us.[/quote
ROFLMAO>
Post: Stg:
[quote=8LimbsScientist [quote=Stg i'd laugh and feed him bacalao :mrgreen:[/quote and what gave you the idea that you could just feed me stuff like an animal
Post: lil'sword:
if it anoys you dont pay attention to it
-peace>
Post: zefff:
why? So you can carry on spreading your nonsense and believing your own hype? No!
Excuse me if I have got your back up but you posted trash IMO. Let me pick your post apart! :mrgreen:
1) "im european and could kick ass even without training."
I know it was a joke but seriously now... THAT IS A JOKE!!!
2) "and dont forget about arnold, he kicks political and physical butt ....lol"
Another joke but seriously, he is a chauvanist, narcacistic, meglomanic, weak, arsehole...and he's a Austrian IIRC.
3) "seriously though, from personal experience i have to lean towards the germans. Im derived from german and swedish ascent, and have never met a week german."
First, week is a chronological period of measurment. Second, you are decended, not ascended. Third, define the parameters of weak and 'hard'? Forth, have you ever been to Germany? Have you been everywhere else also, as to compare?
4) "If you watch those strong man compatitions almost all of the guys are european,"
strength alone does not make a man 'hard'. Read the damn thread! WTF are you taking MA for anyway? Go join a regular gym and get pumped!
5) "and it looks like half of those have some german in them."
That just made me want to vomit. Regardless of other obvious connotations, do you realise how offensive that might be to the half of those blokes who represent their homelands?
Read back your post and use your aquired knowledge and experience to decifer what is really what in your head. Sorry to talk to you like you are a punk kid but like I said, I am annoyed. I will get over this annoyance, but can you conquer your (apparent) ignorance.
The hardest people are the ones who have the widest experiences, the widest tolerances, the most adaptable, the most intelligent. The hardest of all people are those who live the hardest life while possessing the best traits of all people.
To put my arguement into petty, or small scale, personal MA terms. Or rather to use a metaphor we can all understand - when we train our technique in class, we first envisage our own performance inwardly and then try to reproduce that outwardly on pads or another person. Once we have some understanding of the technique, we have our partner try his interpretation out on us and we also witness others in the class and how they perform the same technique. THIS IS DIVERSITY AND WETHER WE KNOW IT OR NOT, WE TAKE ON BOARD THE NUANCES IN THAT TECHNIQUE THAT OUR CLASS MATES DISPLAY!
So even with only one technique, we subconciously implant variety. The more scientific of us will conciousley and overtly do this to recognise when and where one nuance is more apt to help performance. We do this because we know we cannot control events totally. Nature has given us this abilty because our basic needs are widely varied and not stable. What Im saying is that even in the microcosm of your MA class there is an abundance of diversity and natural selection is taking place unbeknownst! You and your regular classmates are all on a scale that ranges from those who are best at some things to those who are adequate at most things (or those who are crap at everything if your school were really shite). Put them in a random survival situation and its the adequate allrounders who are best equipped. This is why you look to those who are best at certain things. So you can add their abilities to your repetoire.
Thats why strikers learn to grapple FFS! :lol:>
Post: lil'sword:
I didn't post that to offend you and im sorry if it did. listen, it was just my opinion and im sorry that i didn't state so as well. I did read the rest of the thread but i must have interpretted it differently than what you did. Instead of going deep into the question(like thinking what makes a race hard so on and so forth) I simply picked a race that I thought was pretty damn hard. So nothing to it, thats what I thought and thats what i put. Sorry if that bothers you. I'll stop here because I dont want to take up more posting space that could be used for better posts than those of our conflict. although if you have anything to add, that you feel you must go ahead.
If you want to take this argumant further PM me and we'll see what we can do about it.>
Post: zefff:
I feel strongly that we are made stronger by our experiences. I believe we are made harder. Excuse me for 'going deep' when trying to embelish on this but I really believe 'hardness' is a pidgeon hole, a tag. Its all about perception. How we percieve others.
I believe that the hardest people are not always the ones who outwardly portray an image of hardness. The hardest people are not the biggest or strongest. The hardest people have a certain strength of will. The hardest people can achieve things beyond the expectations of others.
oops! Am I going deep again? Okay, forget thinking. Lets all just punch, punch, kick, kick. Just the way our teachers tell us.>
Post: DARKTIM:
ok lets go at this at the angle its taking
WHAT MAKES A HARD PERSON?
there you go.
DT>
Post: lil'sword:
ok thats better>
Post: Li Shen Long:
zefff, could you lighten up a little bit? lil'sword is not talking about the same "hardness" as you are, if i'm reading this correctly she's talking about heredity while you're talking about adaptation and experience. I understand what you're saying zefff, but I don't think she interpreted "hardness" like you did, there's no need for you to flame her the way you are.>
Post: zefff:
punch, punch, kick,kick...>
Post: Li Shen Long:
Hahaha, no.>
Post: Gong||Jau:
Li, why don't you quit trying to chase off one of the really constructive members we have left and instead go join a school for God's sake?>
Post: Li Shen Long:
Gong, as for the school, I don't see how that's relevant to this discussion. I've been searching for a (good) school ever since the Aikido incident (yes it's really "that" hard to find a good school here whos instructor speaks good enough english), so I think you should stfu when you obviously have no idea what you're talking about. Also, about zefff, I was merely pointing out that he was being superfluously mean to her. Also, I don't want to fight with anyone, so i'm not going to comment on this any further.>
Post: Gong||Jau:
This isn't an isolated incident. The vast majority of your threads and posts are off-topic nonsense, save perhaps for your training journal and the thread questioning whether or not Muay Thai should be considered an art. If my previous post sounded overly harsh I'm sorry, but I'm not going to sit here and watch you be an arse to Zefff whom I have a lot of respect for as a martial artist when you yourself have contributed little or nothing to the forum. If you'd like to drop this discussion that's fine with me.>
Post: lil'sword:
Friends,
I happen to have a lot of respect for Li, zefff and you, as well as everybody else on this forum,so I would appreciate it if we could just stop the conflict here.>
Post: Iron Knuckles:
C'mon people, let's stay on topic here.... Besides, it's obvious that us Irish bastards take the cake for "Hardest People" :twisted:>
Post: zefff:
Myself and Lil'sword have resolved this privately and we have no bad feelings residing at all so lets move on.>
Post: lakan_sampu:
o well....
any facts about us Filipinos concerning this topic? Wanna know what you guys know abouy us..relating to this topic of course.
cheers comrades!!!>
Post: zefff:
Well what I do know is that I dont mess with any guy called LapuLapu! :lol:>
Post: Kyorgi:
"o well....
any facts about us Filipinos concerning this topic? Wanna know what you guys know abouy us..relating to this topic of course.
cheers comrades!!!"
Yeah Filipinos are the hardest race!!!
and zeff....Isnt LapuLapu a Kind of Ice Cream in the philipenes?
edit :D>
Post: zefff:
at first I thought u were joking but I dont see a smiley. Lapu-Lapu is a national hero. A warrior in every sense. He stood up against the Spaniards when all others had already submitted and he defeated Magellan.>
Post: Stg:
[quote=Iron Knuckles C'mon people, let's stay on topic here.... Besides, it's obvious that us Irish bastards take the cake for "Hardest People" :twisted:[/quote
don't you mean "drunkest people" :mrgreen:>
Post: ryuengine:
Intestinal fortitude makes a person hard. Ignoring the sound of your own arm popping out of its socket to get out of a hold. Getting up after getting knocked crosseyed.>
Post: ReignStorm:
I have to totally agree with Bamboo. I don't believe it has anything to do with heritage or "race" at all its all about training, expreince, and adaptability. The person might be 7ft and 300lbs of pure muscle but if he wasnt educated in combat and had no idea what hes doing his only weapon would be his size and anyone who was trained could use that agesnt him even if they had to attack him three at once.>
Post: Iron Knuckles:
Quote: don't you mean "drunkest people"
What do you think makes us so tough? :twisted:>
Post: benj05:
the english are the hardest people or maybe the irish>
Post: graham1:
benjo
This is zefff's earlier entry. Things haven't changed since then.
[quote=zefff WTF! :lol: people adapt. We are as hard as we need to be. If life is easy, we will be soft.
WTF makes one race 'hard' and another soft? The race considered 'hard' in its environment, might not be so tough in another extreme environment. IMHO races are not 'hard'. People are. Ive seen mates go away to the army as scrawney gits and come back man-mountains. It is conditioning to thier environment that made them hard. We all have the genes for adaptability within us because we are all related. No-one race is harder cos we are all adapted for survival in situ and we have done so. That is success and the only point that counts.[/quote >
Post: Gangsta_Nerd:
Black's endured 400 years of slavery. That's HARD AS HELL!
Seriously, I don't think there is a HARD race. There's GANGSTA MUTHA FUCCA'S in every race.>
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