Krav Maga Basics: A Few Questions
Original Poster: Robert_RedBeard
Forum: Others
Posted On: 10-05-2006, 00:00
Orginal Post: Robert_RedBeard: I have been a fan of Krav Maga techniques and training methods for some time now. I haven't had a chance to train with a Krav Maga instructor locally though. I just don't have the $600 to pay for the training.
I have gotten my hands on all the Krav Maga Instructions Videos from Darrel Levin his wife and another chief instructor(I can't remember his name).
I have also added two Krav Maga books to my library. I like what I have read and seen. I have read and reread the books and watched the videos over and over.
What I have observed in classes that I have set in on and what I have learned on my own, Krav Maga just makes sense to me.
But I would like to get others input on a few areas. The Punches elbows and kicks are things that I have been doing for 15 years. So there was nothing new there.
My interest is in the 360 degree defense utilized in Krav Maga.
Are there any Kravists on the board and do you have anything to say about experience with the 360 degree defense?
Post: bamboo:
Could you send us a link or a film of it in action or perhaps being drilled so the non kravists have an idea what your asking about?
Cheers,
bamboo>
Post: Wong_Kei_Ying:
I'm not a Krav Maga Practioner, but I have experience and I know a bit about the whole "360 degree defense" utilized in Krav Maga. However, you weren't specific about your question. What do you wish to know? How to control your surroundings so that you could see more than just one opponent during a fight? How to improve your attention to detail and ability to spot suspicious behaviour around you so that you can anticipate and perhaps avoid an attack even before it happens?
I do however, have a question for you.
[quote=Robert_RedBeard
...What I have observed in classes that I have set in on and what I have learned on my own, Krav Maga just makes sense to me...[/quote
Out of sheer curiosity, what is it you learned about Krav Maga that makes so much sense to you? Is it the: concept, mentality, or attitude?>
Post: Robert_RedBeard:
I'm not sure about the copyright implications if I posted video. And I am not sure how to post a small segment either way.
I may be able to scan a protion of one of my books to illistrate what I am talking about. Then post it PDF if that is allowed.
"Fair Use" wise it should be legal if I keep it short.
It will take some time to get the PDF made. So bare with me.>
Post: Robert_RedBeard:
[quote=Wong_Kei_Ying
I do however, have a question for you.
[quote=Robert_RedBeard
...What I have observed in classes that I have set in on and what I have learned on my own, Krav Maga just makes sense to me...[/quote
Out of sheer curiosity, what is it you learned about Krav Maga that makes so much sense to you? Is it the: concept, mentality, or attitude?[/quote
One is the reliance on simple techniques that are eassily taught and retained by the student.
Two, the attitude of striking and guarding in unison.
Three, many techniques I have observed in their classes are techniques I have learned elsewhere. So, I know they work.
The only thing I am not sure about is the 360 degree defense techniques.
The concept, attitude and mentality have been around in many systems. I started out learning from RBWI practitioners. There attitude, and fighting mentality match up well with Krav Maga. RBWI only adds deception into the techniques.
RBWI=Robert Bussey's Warrior International
Krav Maga also meshes well with what I learned from the SCARS system. Use of the body's natural weapons and reactions effectively is a big part of what is taught in SCARS.
So, my question isn't very specific. I am just interested in any input from practitioners on the 360 degree defense.
BTW, Thanks for the input so far guys.>
Post: Wong_Kei_Ying:
[quote=Robert_RedBeard One is the reliance on simple techniques that are eassily taught and retained by the student.
Two, the attitude of striking and guarding in unison.
Three, many techniques I have observed in their classes are techniques I have learned elsewhere. So, I know they work...
...The concept, attitude and mentality have been around in many systems...[/quote
Thank you, I hope you can still satisfy my curiosity. If the concept, attitude, mentality and simplicity of techniques (in a general sense) aren't inclusive to any system, what makes Krav Maga different in your opinion?
[quote=Robert_RedBeard ...Krav Maga also meshes well with what I learned from the SCARS system. Use of the body's natural weapons and reactions effectively is a big part of what is taught in SCARS...[/quote
Impressive, I've never meet anyone who studied SCARS... I'm assuming you're in the Military. To my understanding no military SCARS instructor can teach the SCARS program outside of the U.S.military...>
Post: zefff:
Why should a Krav Maga student give away the knowledge he/she paid good money for to an outsider anyway?>
Post: BLACK PANTA:
[quote=zefff Why should a Krav Maga student give away the knowledge he/she paid good money for to an outsider anyway?[/quote
Don't understand this question fully. Are you refering ONLY to a Krav Student (if so I'll be even more confused), or MAs students' in general.
Is it a sacastic question, if so, my face is red.>
Post: zefff:
Why would any martial artist?
The guy isnt a student and so wont ever get a full appreciation of the art from videos, books and second hand knowledge. If he wants to learn Krav Maga he has to go to a class.>
Post: Hengest:
[quote=Wong_Kei_Ying Impressive, I've never meet anyone who studied SCARS... I'm assuming you're in the Military. To my understanding no military SCARS instructor can teach the SCARS program outside of the U.S.military...[/quote
Sorry mate, you're mistaken. It may be that military-trained SCARS instructors cannot teach it to the public, but SCARS is widely available from civilian tutors. It's essentially repackaged san soo kung fu and is subject to the same kind of franchising that krav maga is. Ergo, expect to pay large amounts of money for little actual knowledge transmission.
The military never used SCARS in any full-fledged CQB combat programs. It was used in the BUDS course for a short time as a kind of training motivator, but that's no longer the case.>
Post: Robert_RedBeard:
zefff,
Wow, I never realised I would get such a hostile reaction.
I never knew MA knowledge was about the amount of money you paid for it. Or about making an art sound like much more than it is.
It's just a bunch of the same old "Ancient Chinese Secret" crap.
BTW, I am a student in Hand to Hand Combat. I do not think of myself as a student of any system. At least not any more. I found it to restrictive and prone to ego maniacs.
I have shown no disrespect by asking questions. And if Mr Levin didn't want people like me to know things about KM, then why does he market the videos and books?
I come from a police, military upbringing. I have a long MA history, although most of it is not through paid classes.
There is nothing presented I do not understand. And nothing to hard to figure out.
All I am asking is for people's experience using or practicing the "360 degree" defense.
So if you are not here to answer that question. Then perhaps this isn't the thread for you to be posting this nonsense in. Maybe you can make a thread and name it "Don't help people. They need to pay for any information they get on Martial Arts."!
If nothing else, I am looking for incentive to go train with them. So the hostility is not warranted. I am not trying to cheat anyone out of royalties/dues.>
Post: Robert_RedBeard:
[quote=Wong_Kei_Ying [quote=Robert_RedBeard One is the reliance on simple techniques that are eassily taught and retained by the student.
Two, the attitude of striking and guarding in unison.
Three, many techniques I have observed in their classes are techniques I have learned elsewhere. So, I know they work...
...The concept, attitude and mentality have been around in many systems...[/quote
Thank you, I hope you can still satisfy my curiosity. If the concept, attitude, mentality and simplicity of techniques (in a general sense) aren't inclusive to any system, what makes Krav Maga different in your opinion?[/quote
One thing that makes it different is it's recent use in very violent conflicts. The Israeli's being the bullies of the block have had a lot of practice with what they do.
Krav Maga was born of recent COMBAT. That is what makes it most interesting to me. It uses the most recent knowledge of physical training and conditioning to build good fighters.
It does not take long to learn and is in fact meant to be learned quickly and with little buildup or maintainance required to be effective with it.
Quote:
[quote=Robert_RedBeard ...Krav Maga also meshes well with what I learned from the SCARS system. Use of the body's natural weapons and reactions effectively is a big part of what is taught in SCARS...
Impressive, I've never meet anyone who studied SCARS... I'm assuming you're in the Military. To my understanding no military SCARS instructor can teach the SCARS program outside of the U.S.military...[/quote
As I said before, I come from a police and military family. I also have many martial artists and police/military in my circle of friends.
I managed to get my hands on some training material and some mat time with a friend experienced in the techniques and principles of SCARS.>
Post: bamboo:
"Use a 360-degree blocking system when being attacked from in front. Rotate your arm upwards, elbow bent, and block the downward movement with the chopper-like edge of your arm. There are six different positions for each arm, depending on the height and direction of the blow. If it's high, raise your arm up as if strap-hanging on the Tube; if it's low, clasp the fingers of both hands together and raise forcefully."
Would this be an appropriate description of the "360" defense?
-cheers,
bamboo>
Post: Robert_RedBeard:
[quote=bamboo "Use a 360-degree blocking system when being attacked from in front. Rotate your arm upwards, elbow bent, and block the downward movement with the chopper-like edge of your arm. There are six different positions for each arm, depending on the height and direction of the blow. If it's high, raise your arm up as if strap-hanging on the Tube; if it's low, clasp the fingers of both hands together and raise forcefully."
Would this be an appropriate description of the "360" defense?
-cheers,
bamboo[/quote
Pretty close.
Mr. Levin teaches 7 positions. And it is an outside defense. I didn't mention that earlier.>
Post: zefff:
[quote=Robert_RedBeard zefff,
Wow, I never realised I would get such a hostile reaction.[/quote
I wasnt being hostile at all, honestly. Just matter of fact.
[quote=Robert_RedBeard
I never knew MA knowledge was about the amount of money you paid for it. Or about making an art sound like much more than it is.[/quote
MA practice is all about investment of one kind or another. Money, time, effort, dedication, health etc. Why would anyone who made sacrifices and went out of their way to gain new knowledge and skill suddenly owe a favour to those who havent?
I dont understand your bit about making an art sound...But it seems that you are reading into my post beyond what is actually written. Even if you were interested in boxing I would still say go to a gym over any vid.
[quote=Robert_RedBeard
BTW, I am a student in Hand to Hand Combat. I do not think of myself as a student of any system. At least not any more. I found it to restrictive and prone to ego maniacs.[/quote
Thats great. Ego maniacs are usually really crappy teachers so good on you. The thing is though, your prior teaching will affect how you perform techniques from an unfamiliar system. They may look similar but there will definetly be nuances that can only be felt and fully understood from contact with exponents of the art you want to learn.
[quote=Robert_RedBeard
I have shown no disrespect by asking questions. And if Mr Levin didn't want people like me to know things about KM, then why does he market the videos and books?[/quote
Are you implying that I have disrespected you? I dont see where I actually did attack you verbally. Excuse me if I am not flowering my words, maybe its your avatar that affects my mood... and welcome to the forum.
[quote=Robert_RedBeard
I come from a police, military upbringing. I have a long MA history, although most of it is not through paid classes.
There is nothing presented I do not understand. And nothing to hard to figure out.[/quote
So why didnt you try figuring out how Google works and search 'Krav Maga forum' or 'Krav Maga 360 degree defence'?
[quote=Robert_RedBeard
All I am asking is for people's experience using or practicing the "360 degree" defense.
So if you are not here to answer that question. Then perhaps this isn't the thread for you to be posting this nonsense in. Maybe you can make a thread and name it "Don't help people. They need to pay for any information they get on Martial Arts."!
If nothing else, I am looking for incentive to go train with them. So the hostility is not warranted. I am not trying to cheat anyone out of royalties/dues.[/quote
What are you on? :lol: Scroll down this link and you'll see a load of links that might have your info: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Krav_Maga welcome to Fight Authority! ;)>
Post: Robert_RedBeard:
Zefff,
I understand that practice and time are needed. But this is after all a discussion forum. If you do not wish to discuss Krav Maga techniques then you are free not to.
I was not reading into anything in your post. I just don't understand the attitude of exclusion.
I am always happy to discuss anything I have learned. And I see no reason for secrets.
I agree that I need training to learn most effectively. That is not the discussion. And need for training does not make my discussion any less useful.
If you don't wanna let me in on anything then fine.
I still think you are being hostile. And People are most often hostile when they think they are being disrespected. So I made it known that I was not attempting to disrespect anyone or anything.
FYI, I have used google and many sources to research Krav Maga. What would make you think I had not?
You are treating me like I have no idea what I am doing. I joined FightAuthority in an attempt to speak with the fighting community about things I have researched.
And I don't know what your problem with my avatar is.>
Post: Robert_RedBeard:
Oh, thanks for the links.
I'll look through and see if there is anything new to me.>
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