"darkside of the moon"
Original Poster: DARKTIM
Forum: Others
Posted On: 27-05-2006, 04:58
Orginal Post: DARKTIM: a term that is used for dirty tricks/fighting. is there any kind of dirty ticks in your repotoir? things that have helped you inthe past and things that you like to work in?
anybody street fight and resort to these kinda taktics?
DT: the darkest motherfucker on the moon
Post: Stg:
yeah. I:
-bite
-strike the groin
-poke the eyes
-wail on the back of people's heads when they're down/when i get the chance
-strike the upper/mid/lower back or spine as hard as i can
-knee the person on their sides when they're down as hard as i can
-pull hair
-see nothing wrong with stomping,soccer ball kicking or just regular kicking someone in the head in any position
-try to break arms.
-use blunt objects to strike with(I even used a bottle of air freshner spray)
that's pretty much all i can think of right now.>
Post: DARKTIM:
ill stamp on them. but i draw a line at stamping/kicking the head when down. ill stap anywear else ( normally on the legs and stomach good 2-3 times)
- hair pulling
- fish hooking
- biting
- eye attacks
- limb brakes (especially a finger or two)
-head butts
-groin attacks (hits and grabbs)
- knee them anywere ( mainly head and body. a good knee in the back is often a turning point in a fight)
-spitting in face.
-throwing objects in face.
- use of weapons
- flesh grabs
- choke and butt
- hit the troat.
- elbow anywere
- ear pulling-biting
- if fingers or limbs are broke keep twisting and attacking them
thats all i can think of at the mo. :roll:
DT>
Post: zefff:
I luv head butts but Ive never had the chance to use one in a real fight. Stamping on head or football style kicks are a real game over move but once you think you have killed a guy doing one you soon think twice about doing it again. I know I wont be.....well not full blast on the nose anyway! :lol:
Flesh grabs are great for ejecting people. back of the arm, pectoral, lats, neck, ears.
I luv destroying morale and confidence in aggressive people so thats prolly my fav although not an actual, physical technique. Its a rush to see the flicker in an aggressors eyes as he weighs up wether or not you are badder than him. Also fake submissiveness is good for making things easier I found.>
Post: Stg:
wtf does fish hooking mean? :shock:>
Post: Gong||Jau:
Take your finger, curl it down into a hook, and "set" it in your mouth, then pull. Also works with more fingers, and in different places (nose, eyes, etc.)>
Post: DARKTIM:
its a dirty rick that often ends with the person on the receiving end having half of his moth missing. most time they give in though then its elbow to back of the head. lightsout.
DT>
Post: Iron Knuckles:
Good way to get your finger bitten off if you ask me...>
Post: Bushi:
Thats actually not as easy as you think, biting the fingers that is. The cheek would most likely rip or your head torque before you could think to bite. Fish hooking was used in GANGS OF NEW YORK. (The scene after they sold the dead body)>
Post: Gong||Jau:
Also, if you do it correctly your finger isn't in between their teeth for more time than it takes to hook it into their cheek. Try it on yourself: your finger naturally settles outside of where you can bite it. Besides, although I've never had it done to me (thankfully), I sort of doubt you'd be able to get any good pressure on the finger, for reasons Bushi listed.>
Post: DARKTIM:
i have never had my finger bitten once when doing this. ive only drawn blood twice. and ive done it nearly 20-25 times. never had it done to me like gong jau said. always be awear as it kills. they flail about and often the fight comes out of them. ive elbowed the back of the head and punched them in the face with hooks. but ive used it to end a fight when i get the back. knee to the back then push them down and fish hook them.
the ones with the blood if your wondering were only slight tears. few stitches. there was a guy i knew old bloke. face like a boxer. he used to be a miner. and he was the one who told me about it. (this is goin back bout 8-9 year that he told me) he said that he has held mens faces in his hand with them still on the floor. i remember him saying " if you manage to get em face down. yeah you can stamp o em, kick em even fuck em. but the best way to do em and make people see you as a proper nutcase. there ain't nothing like a good hooking."
he told me how you do it. he said in the mines and on fair grounds were he used to fight your often met with your man and his mates. so you cant let him do you for one and the other you need to let them know dont mess. he said in this case hook em with your right hand and pull at the same time as pushing with the left.
the guy was a proper man and scared the shit out of me. was a big guy with blonde hair and bright blue eyes. didnt seem to blink.
any other nasty things?
DT>
Post: dscott:
Are you talking about real life fights? Jesus DarkTim.......it sounds like you've been in a ton of fights. How old are you?>
Post: zefff:
Dscott, you'll find them oop north are like that over here. :lol: :roll: :mrgreen:
as for any others.... Sounds obvious and not very dirty but shoot for takedown works 100% on most people who dont know and are expecting a toe to toe stand-up affair.
Spit in his face and rush straight in. Ive done this and it works, especially if the man is disgusted by bodily fluids. But you must attack immediatley as he is shocked and disgusted and before he can become enraged.
pepper/CS gas in face b4 working on folks is popular amoungst a lot of youths.
If you have a grievance, find out where they are/live and attack them as they leave building or car. Cars are hilarious, they cannot fight back at all. A real disadvantage!
hand on hip and talk into their ear before you spark them out with your favourite punch or clout them with a pub ashtray etc. LOL!
Use walls and furniture.
Hide a big stone or brick in your rear hand.
If its dark put any light behind you.
Get higher, even if its just a kerb.
Bite the face - nose, eyebrow, lips or cheek especially are prolly most painful. Ive seen ears bitten in half and it didnt really bother the man too much, although he did wince he carried on defending himself.
Get your mates to join in.
Run them over with a car. Or push them into the path of traffic.
Set fire to their house or car then get them when they run out. :mrgreen:
HAW HAW HAW! Obviously this is all jokes as Im getting carried away now. Any kids who think they can do any of this mentioned on this thread would do well to remember that it can just as easily be done onto them. So dont do it!
Also if anyone sets fire to my house, expect me to run out with a weapon. If its a choice between clothes and a weapon I WILL be naked trust me! :mrgreen:>
Post: Gong||Jau:
LMAO! One really good "impromptu" weapon (I use quotes because it requires preparation) that someone mentioned on the old boards (I think it was Kris) is a 20 oz soda bottle filled with concrete. Comes complete with its own handle :mrgreen:
Also, I can't believe this hasn't been mentioned yet: use a roll of coins (preferably quarters) as a fistload.>
Post: DARKTIM:
Quote:
and he was the one who told me about it. (this is goin back bout 8-9 year that he told me)
sory i had a good think after posting and it was actually 12 years back. christ how time flys. even when your not having fun :lol:
thanks for the shout out zeff. yeah we are all like that up here with flat caps and clogs :D :wink:
yeah proper fights. im 28. at the end of the day dscott if someone wants to fight you. think what fight they want. mostly they just want to kick the snott out of you. so you do what you need to do so you are the only one standing. trust me they won't let up with you. so you dont with them. i have had a few people who wanted a fight just as a challenge. quite honourable really. no strings attached, no hard feelings afterwards with respect. one or two got out of hand and the hook came in. like i said i use it to subdue mainly. but the option is there if you want to END IT if you know what i mean. when i was doing my judo. back in high school and through college time a few people, who thought i was soft as i never cause a fight, thought this judo shit is for pussies. so i said you either have it now or come down the club and do it. no one came to the club!!! but wnated to prove themselves. ive choked people out, thrown thwm so hard they were winded and thought they were dieing, stuck locks on, made the fight go to the floor and got them so frustrted as they couldn't do anything they cried.
so it just depends. but never be scared to pull somethig out of the bag to get the upper hand.
DT
p.s. zeff you a baaaaaaaad man :lol:>
Post: zefff:
not really bad at all DT mate. I've got people I care for and too much to lose. Keep my mouth shut and head down to be honest.>
Post: Wilhelm von Wänkensteïn:
Being naked is my weapon - whom among ye wishes to gaze upon the agonising glory of my butt-nekkidness?
...didn't think so :twisted:
Just a tad more seriously, sex is a weapon, even - in fact especially - against an opponent of the same gender. Oilchecks and other such things, or even the mere threat of violation, can scramble an opponent's mind enough to buy those precious few seconds needed to pop in the coup de grace, plus they stand a chance of so thoroughly breaking an opponent's spirit that you need never fight again. Or can stand there and smash him to a pulp at your leisure without having to deal with any resistance. The name of the game is destroying an opponent's morale, as zefff mentioned earlier - sex just happens to be one avenue that I consider in this regard, though it's not the only one. Of course, it may well have the opposite effect on some people and enrage them into a berserker frenzy, but even then, rage is almost always the result of a fear response. If one can keep this in mind and work calmly and dispassionately, once the storm passes, the berserker will be physically and emotionally exhausted and ripe for the taking.
As far as physically hurting people goes, I don't think in terms of 'clean' and 'dirty' so much as how much force is warranted. The level of perceived threat dictates how much damage I feel inclined to dish out plus, of course, the amount of trouble I could potentially get into with the law if I get caught. At the lowest level (which isn't often, since I don't attacked by too many wimps :lol: ), it may amount to little more than throwing someone around till he gets discouraged and goes away - the law tends to be a little leery of mounting and dropping elbows into someone who shoved you a couple times and mouthed off in your face. For what reason, I cannot fathom :P
Nearer to the top (ie. when fighting for life), the differences between levels tend to be subtle, such as whether I can tear out one eye or two, and sink my teeth into his throat so I can clamp down and shake my head about. On that note, the eyes are among my favourite targets and I love to go for them especially in grapples. I don't poke, either - it's not worth it because the eyes have no pain receptors, in any case. I hook in and rip and gouge till something comes out if I get ahold of them in a grapple, or else I use cupping palm and point fist strikes in hopes of building up enough pressure to shatter the optic socket and open up the brain pan. The latter is a bit of a luxury, but always an option when going for shots to the head and face, particularly when mounting or riding an opponent. For myself, my safest bet would be to get an opponent horizontal so I can grab a limb, crank it into a control and twist his bones out of joint while stomping down his head till something gives.>
Post: DARKTIM:
funny that ive never thought of the level of force needed. and i never thik of the police either. i like to end it stand there for a short while just to make sure he aint the hardest bastard on the planet and has a knife i his hand waiting for you to turn your back. then leave the area as quik and as unseen as poss.
i consider my self a nice, mild mannered guy really (tell me if you agree or disagree) but i know and some times scared of the other side of me. i know i can and have done some very violent things when warrented but one thing that turns my stomach when we're talkin "darkside of the moon" is head stomps and kicks. just not my thing. ill stomp anywere else thats a given. kick most places but never the head.
for those who've done it do you not think about it during and afterwards? well you could say that bout all dark side tricks. during i think "ill hurt you mate. ill make sure you wont offer me again" at the time its ill stop/hurt you. afterwards i dont really think bout it cause i know in myself its warrented. i dont know just something ive thought about head stomping and what you think about it when its done.
talking bout the other side of me. does anyone else tink "SHHHHIIIIIT< im a nasty fucker"? when you think of things you've done and can do? :| just thinking ive done so dark shit to people who have gone at me with glasses, peices of wood, knives all kinds of shit for no reason at all. once i was near slashed in the face. was so close. and bang the switch went.
AND THAT MY FRIENDS IS WHAT IT BOILS DOWN TO. YOU DO WHAT YOU DO TO SURVIVE. PULL OUT THE BAG ANYTHING THAT WILL PUT THAT FUCKER DOWN. ANYTHING! THE FUCKIN KITCHEN SINK IF YOU HAVE IT. AND OFTEN THESE TRICKS FROM "THE DARKSIDE OF THE MOON" ARE THE THINGS THAT TURN THE TABLES. DONT BE AFRIAD OF USING THEM. CAUSE WHEN YOUR IN A PUDDLE OF YOUR OWN PISS AND BLOOD AND HE'S STAMPING ON YOUR HEAD. YOU WOULD HAVE WISHED YOU WOULD HAVE USED THAT FISHOOK, BITE OR EVEN BROKE HIS ARM. DONT LET THEM HAVE YOU THAT EASY. BECAUSE THE NEXT FIGHT MIGHT BE THE LAST!!!
DT : "I am both sides of the same coin. And you wanna wish it lands good side up">
Post: Wilhelm von Wänkensteïn:
We've all got our dark sides, mate. We only know the good in us exists because there's the bad to hold it up to. And even so-called 'evil' plays a part in the grand scheme of things. In any case, where exactly is the line between good and evil drawn? When does righteous anger become murderous, indiscriminate rage? When does conviction and faith become blind fanaticism? When does self-defence turn into obsessive vengeance? Likewise, when does peaceful non-violence cross the line into deluded, self-destructive denial and laying down to die without a struggle? When does justice become dead law, cold and impersonal?
Hard questions to answer, to be sure, but dat's life, and she sucks da balls :mrgreen:
I think the trick at the end of the day is to listen to one's conscience. Most of us, whether through home education, religious faith or just plain hard experience, have at least some kind of moral grounding. Keep a constant ear out for that still, small voice in the back of your head and wrestle with it constantly. The important thing, IMHO, is to resolve all the hard questions when you're not fighting, so that you are free from doubt when the combat begins. Fear, as the saying goes, is the mind-killer, and doubt is just another flavour of fear.>
Post: vladimir:
Pulling at fingers such as in a grip and contining to pull on them works really well. When I've head people grab me and I grabbed a thumb or finger of theirs and twisted it always made them lose control.>
Post: wuming:
Most Chinese martial arts especially use these "dirty tricks", if you want to call them that; my system definately does, but I am not going to disclose any :wink:>
Post: vladimir:
-Eye gouging/poking
-Fish Hooking
-Hair Pulling
-Putting a finger into any orifice or laceration of an enemy
-Striking Downward, Using the Point of the Elbow
-Throat Strikes of any Kind
-Grabbing the trachea
-Grabbing the clavicle
-Grabbing/tearing off the testicles
-Clawing, Pinching or Twisting the Flesh
-Kicking the Head of a Grounded Opponent
-Kneeing the Head of a Grounded Opponent
-Faking injury, in order to trick your enemy and ambush them
-Spitting on them in order to distract them
-Any strike to the groin
-Attacks on the knee
-Attacking an enemies temples
-Attacking the ears with cupped hands
-Strikes against the Adam's Apple>
Post: setsu nin to:
In my opinion there is no dirty tricks, tactic, fight, techniques...>
Post: Twitch:
[quote=Wilhelm von Wänkensteïn Being naked is my weapon - whom among ye wishes to gaze upon the agonising glory of my butt-nekkidness?
...didn't think so :twisted:
Just a tad more seriously, sex is a weapon, even - in fact especially - against an opponent of the same gender. Oilchecks and other such things, or even the mere threat of violation, can scramble an opponent's mind enough to buy those precious few seconds needed to pop in the coup de grace, plus they stand a chance of so thoroughly breaking an opponent's spirit that you need never fight again. Or can stand there and smash him to a pulp at your leisure without having to deal with any resistance. The name of the game is destroying an opponent's morale, as zefff mentioned earlier - sex just happens to be one avenue that I consider in this regard, though it's not the only one. Of course, it may well have the opposite effect on some people and enrage them into a berserker frenzy, but even then, rage is almost always the result of a fear response. If one can keep this in mind and work calmly and dispassionately, once the storm passes, the berserker will be physically and emotionally exhausted and ripe for the taking.
As far as physically hurting people goes, I don't think in terms of 'clean' and 'dirty' so much as how much force is warranted. The level of perceived threat dictates how much damage I feel inclined to dish out plus, of course, the amount of trouble I could potentially get into with the law if I get caught. At the lowest level (which isn't often, since I don't attacked by too many wimps :lol: ), it may amount to little more than throwing someone around till he gets discouraged and goes away - the law tends to be a little leery of mounting and dropping elbows into someone who shoved you a couple times and mouthed off in your face. For what reason, I cannot fathom :P
Nearer to the top (ie. when fighting for life), the differences between levels tend to be subtle, such as whether I can tear out one eye or two, and sink my teeth into his throat so I can clamp down and shake my head about. On that note, the eyes are among my favourite targets and I love to go for them especially in grapples. I don't poke, either - it's not worth it because the eyes have no pain receptors, in any case. I hook in and rip and gouge till something comes out if I get ahold of them in a grapple, or else I use cupping palm and point fist strikes in hopes of building up enough pressure to shatter the optic socket and open up the brain pan. The latter is a bit of a luxury, but always an option when going for shots to the head and face, particularly when mounting or riding an opponent. For myself, my safest bet would be to get an opponent horizontal so I can grab a limb, crank it into a control and twist his bones out of joint while stomping down his head till something gives.[/quote
JESUS CHRIST! What are you, a SEAL?!>
Post: vladimir:
Just curious why do some of you guys consider knees and elbows "dirty attacks">
Post: Tease T Tickle:
[quote=vladimir Just curious why do some of you guys consider knees and elbows "dirty attacks"[/quote
Because they're in systems that rely solely on punches and kicks, so the elbows and knees are unsportsmanlike. I remember getting a talking-to from a boxer for throwing an elbow in a sparring session. I informed him we never agreed on boxing-only rules and proceeded to elbow him some more.>
Post: Gangsta_Nerd:
Usually, when I am in a "street fight," my "opponent" will get directly in my face. At this point, I quickly grab their ears or the back of their head, with both hands, and proceed to bite the SHIT out of their nose.
Done it a total of 10 times. 9 out of 10, I've ripped the front of their nose completly off.>
Post: zefff:
Dont forget to floss! Dont want snot getting stuck inbetween your teeth now ;)>
Post: Wilhelm von Wänkensteïn:
[quote=Twitch JESUS CHRIST! What are you, a SEAL?![/quote
I know I'm making a deliberate point of not posting too much these days, but this just asked for a reply...
*balances ball on nose and spins it while barking and clapping joyfully*
Woof! Woof! Woof!>
Post: ScarredUp1:
:evil: You are so talking out of your arse mr pussy orange belt, just make sure your mom doesn't read what youv'e put, otherwise its straight to bed without dinner PUNK. What is the point of talking so much sh*t, if you or anyone had ever even done this seriously once, they wouldn't be writing it on here!! & what the f*ck is 20 - 25 times apart from a serious pile of sh*t, I mean give me a f*cking break. I think you ladys should go back to tossing off over your playstation. :twisted: [quote=DARKTIM i have never had my finger bitten once when doing this. ive only drawn blood twice. and ive done it nearly 20-25 times. never had it done to me like gong jau said. always be awear as it kills. they flail about and often the fight comes out of them. ive elbowed the back of the head and punched them in the face with hooks. but ive used it to end a fight when i get the back. knee to the back then push them down and fish hook them.
the ones with the blood if your wondering were only slight tears. few stitches. there was a guy i knew old bloke. face like a boxer. he used to be a miner. and he was the one who told me about it. (this is goin back bout 8-9 year that he told me) he said that he has held mens faces in his hand with them still on the floor. i remember him saying " if you manage to get em face down. yeah you can stamp o em, kick em even fuck em. but the best way to do em and make people see you as a proper nutcase. there ain't nothing like a good hooking."
he told me how you do it. he said in the mines and on fair grounds were he used to fight your often met with your man and his mates. so you cant let him do you for one and the other you need to let them know dont mess. he said in this case hook em with your right hand and pull at the same time as pushing with the left.
the guy was a proper man and scared the shit out of me. was a big guy with blonde hair and bright blue eyes. didnt seem to blink.
any other nasty things?
DT[/quote >
Post: bamboo:
ummm, notice the date on the thread?>
Post: Stg:
in anycase, i smell fresh meat- troll meat, that is :P>
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