"Practical throws"
Original Poster: Tatsukage
Forum: Others
Posted On: 05-10-2006, 18:10
Orginal Post: Tatsukage: I was wondering, are there any real "practical throws"? Throws that you could actually use in an altercation. I realize that one might be abe to pull off a sacrifice throw, but that would mean both people end up on the ground. Surely, out of all the throws out there, there's at least a couple that actually work without getting into too much of a bind or on the ground? I tried modifying gedanate and ushiroate from my aikido training, and they seem to kind of work, but surely there's something better?
Post: bamboo:
Ushiro ate and gedanate are both quite practical if you can begin execution while uke is still moving, if he has stopped you can easily turn this into a nice choke/restraint as you are already so close to the back.
Assuming from your terminology you have tomiki training, you already know what does and does not work with a proper resisting uke (wrist locks generally don't work, etc..). So again, based on the aikido side of things I would look at sukomen iriminage, koshinage, iriminage omote. Iriminage is lovely when you use an elbow. :wink:
A of couple practical throws I always enjoy from the judo side of things are deashi barai and O soto gari.
Get yourself a wrestler of Bjj man to practice throws with, if you screw up with them, they will take you down quickly.
-bamboo>
Post: Tatsukage:
I was debating about O soto gari. Whenever I bend down to complete, even in kata, not randori, I feel as if I should roll fall, or follow through with something. But, I also learned it where one kicks the leg back when they bend down to gain force. If the leg stays down, might as well throw from the hip. I love ushiroate, but I can't seem to modify that one as of yet. I'll try the ones you mentioned. Thanks for the help. Any other thoughts?>
Post: bamboo:
Just that I like your Basho quote as your signature. :wink:>
Post: Tatsukage:
I originally wanted to go with Li Po, but Basho seemed more...well...he didn't die trying to catch the reflection of a moon:P>
Post: Galaknore:
A practical throw that would probably work on the street would be what my school calls the german double. Basically, the setup for it is like you are throwing a head butt to the opponents midsection, and at the same time grabbing behind his knees. You also put one leg between his legs. Its a simple push pull technique, but it will drop your opponent quickly and you do not fall down with them.>
Post: Tatsukage:
I'd be wary though of a technique that places my head in a midsection, dropping the arms to leave myself too open. I could see how it's applicable, but if they side step, or even twist to the side, they can get a guillotine choke hold, and when they drop, you go with them. And on the chance they don't drop, you're still stuck.>
Post: samurai6string:
I'm a big fan of O Soto Gari myself, I think it is a very adaptable throw. If I have an inside tie on Uki's arm, I like to drop into an ude garame, it feels pretty natural just sliding the hand down from the bicep and bring it in to bend the elbow. But I'm sure you've done it before if yu play around with the throw. :D>
Post: zefff:
I am really shit myself but I am aware that success in throws are down to two things. Talent/intelligence/knowledge and the susceptibility of the opponent.
My favourite is slipping the attack, picking the ankle(s) and stepping on a leg when they are prostate. Crotch grabs are good too. Sorry but I dont know the Japanese terms for these techniques.>
Post: Tease T Tickle:
O soto geri, O soto garuma, Ko soto geri, double leg, single leg, ankle pick, knee pick, high crotch scoop, fireman's carry, and maybe even ippon seoi nage are all pretty high percentage.>
Post: samurai6string:
Koshi Guruma, Harai Goshi should go on the list too. Those also leave you pretty much standing after the throw.>
Post: Stazzy:
I don't know if this will help you, but it's helped me. Here's a quote my Sifu has told our class countless times. "Everything we do works. Nothing we do works." Take it for what you will.>
Post: bamboo:
I was on the bad end of a rather spectacular ippon seio nage friday night.
This was no gi, seemed quite practical to me!
-bamboo>
Post: BLACK PANTA:
I personally like drop Seo nage. That is a super high perctage throw in my experience.>
Post: bamboo:
Drop seio nage may be more familiar to the OP as sumi o toshi or corner drop.
-bamboo>
Post: nbotary:
I can't remember the Japanese name for it, but it translates to "major outer reap" - osoto gari maybe??? All I remember is the uke lands on the back of his head after you've hooked one leg with your hand, hooked the other leg with your leg and you push him in the chest with your free hand while kicking your hooked leg out and yanking your hooked hand out. My sensei wouldn't teach it to me until the night before my 2nd belt test because we didn't have a mat thick enough for him to land on.
Other than that, I'm a fan of seo nagi.>
Post: johnny1974:
I have found in the altercations I have been in that hip throws and leg trips seem to work well. There are many variations of both. Follow through is important for both. They seem to work well when you go to the ground with him to secure a choke or lock. If you don't follow through he might just get up and try again.I Lost a fight like that. The set up for legtrips is to grab him, pull then trip. A set up for a hip throw is to put your head in his chest while grabbing him behind his waist and on the underside of his arm. Push against his weight. He will do the same. Then pull and turn your body throwing him over your hip. Don't forget to follow through with a choke or hold. There are a lot of other good takedowns but those are the ones that I learned in my short time in the dojo that were really helpfull quite a few times.>
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