State of Mind in Combat
Original Poster: PTK_PITBULL!16
Forum: Others
Posted On: 14-02-2005, 20:04
Orginal Post: PTK_PITBULL!16: There are many schools os thought in combat, on what kind of state of mind you should have. In pekiti, we are told to focus solely on the blade , since that is the thing that poses the most threat to us. But i dissagree on that, since there are other things that can kill us, or very well injure us, not just the blade.. I personally believe that we should focus on every part of our enemy...what do you guys think?
Post: Kyorgi:
When I spar I try to view an opponents whole body, but when I do it, I try and enter sor tof like a ......dream-like-state...... which is hard to explain but usually i try to be relaxed and just pay attention to their whole body, and I have been told unless that is where your going to strike...don't look down.>
Post: Blade:
Why telegraph by looking to your striking area ?.
Since this is about state of mind, i think it is very important to stay relaxed, this imo the most important factor in working your technique right during a real fight.
just try and relax in different situations and see how your body reacts and how differently you feel.>
Post: Kyorgi:
Yeah yeah I dont know why I posted tha part about looking down, I was er......late at night :D :) :(>
Post: MrApollinax:
Krav Maga as a system has a different view on what to focus on when training. We always train from a position of disadvantage. Our techniques are designed to be reactionary the choke has been applied already, we are already in the head lock, bear hug, the gun is already pointed at our head etc... With this in mind the focus is the immediate danger. That can be the hands on the throat, the gun pushed into your belly, the knife up against your throat or the guy mounted on top. Deal with the immediate danger to give you time to protect yourself to a point where you can safely get away from the situation. Also KM assumes that adrenaline will be coursing through your body, thus making it hard to be completely relaxed, so the techniques are supposed to work under these conditions.>
Post: wuming:
Wuwei - kind of like unmediated, spontaneous action.
You should have "no" state of mind. Your mind should be empty and relaxed, ready to act on any circumstance that arises.>
Post: asag2:
pitbull
I know what your saying i also don't think its wise to concentrate on one single part of the person (for example a blade). when you do this you somehow find yourself getting hit by a part your not concentrating on.>
Post: asag2:
When sparring/fighting i put myself in the situation where its like i am stepping back from what is going on and concentrate on the whole situation. I try not to over think and let myself naturally react to what is happening. IT is also key to stay calm and don't get over anxious because you end up doing something stupid.>
Post: EvilScott:
Pitbull - you are wise to recognize that focus on the blade alone is dangerous. A thug with a weapon will rely solely on the weapon, but someone with experience with a weapon will use it to augment his skills - not use it as a crutch.>
Post: bamboo:
Quote: You should have "no" state of mind. Your mind should be empty and relaxed, ready to act on any circumstance that arises.
I agree whole heartedly. To cultivate "mu shin" or "no mind" is my highest "goal" in the martial arts. To be without preconceptions, is to be free.
bamboo>
Post: setsu nin to:
In my opinion you should focus on one point and controle all body from that point. You have to focus on just one point as eyes, mouths, chests, hearts... you focus on one point but fron that point you have to whatch all body and for that you need some practice.>
Post: NeverMan:
I try to "zone out" and focus on the whole body. I also kinda get tunnel vision, which isn't always a good thing, but it does allow me to focus soley with great intent and concentration on the opponent at hand, however, it isn't very good for multiples. This is the state I am in if I am getting very serious about really having to fight someone. I also try and keep my mind clear and relaxed and focused on the whole body, as I think this doesn't allow me to be less responsive to another part of the body.>
Post: setsu nin to:
Its hard to stay focus on one point when you have multiples. Becouse of more anemys you have to adapted yourself to them. You may keep princip, so you may stay focus on one point at the time, but you have to change that point all the time so when you look ant one anemy you have to focus on one point, than when you look at other anemy you have to focus on other point, sometimes you will have to focus on some third point so that you can see bouth attackers...>
Post: 8LimbsScientist:
I stare at my opponents chest...around his/her solar plexus. At this point I can see any attack he initiates through peripheral vision, and I don't telegraph any strikes I do. It is also conducive to keeping my chin tucked down. This gets weird when sparring with women.
You really shouldn't be focusing on anything IMO. Just reacting automatically to stimuli. If someone throws a roundkick, ideally I just raise my leg to block. I don't consciously look for the roundkick, I just automatically respond to it when it happens. This kind of ease and familiarity only comes with practice and sparring.
Oh, and I'm not saying I'm some god of defense or anything, I'm just saying this is what ideally should happen.>
Post: asag2:
The reason I try not to focus on anything in particular and try to take in everything because it definately would be an advantage if you were dealing with multiples. When dealing with multiples i was always taught that it is essential to keep moving, focusing in on one point of one opponent would hinder your movements and cause you to soley focus on this one thing and not the whole picture.>
Post: bamboo:
Quote: This gets weird when sparring with women.
LOL, I used to look at the solar plexus until just such an incident. I rather well endowed woman joined the beginners classes, I was so used to watching the chest area I didn't even realize what I was doing, she mentioned it and I had to look elsewhere. This really threw off my training until I just avoided her altogether. I should mention that for some reason she wore a low cut, white tee-shirt. Sensei mentioned the importance of a gi top and a sports bra. We never saw her again.
-bamboo>
Post: 8LimbsScientist:
bamboo
We only have one girl in our class and she knows what the deal is. But what is a diplomatic way to handle this if some new girl comes in? I wouldn't want to announce it and make her feel uncomfortable.>
Post: bamboo:
Quote: We only have one girl in our class and she knows what the deal is. But what is a diplomatic way to handle this if some new girl comes in? I wouldn't want to announce it and make her feel uncomfortable.
Well, I phoned the wife on this one. :wink:
My wife told me to have the other girl first off mention it. (its just less embarrassing from another woman)
If a man has to do it then he should fist do it privately, stress a dress code if you have one, if not, then a thicker shirt because of such issues as the clinch. Another thing she said was that a metal underwire can be a safety issue so a soft sports bra is safer and more comfortable.
If its an issue of everyone looking at the chest region, make it a lesson to all but use a guy as the example.
hope this helps. The wife found it funny that I was discussing bra issues while at work. :lol:
bamboo>
Post: BLACK PANTA:
there was this chick in my school. She wore her own gi and a sports bra. It so happened she asked me to be her sparring partner (she was new BTW). Her gi was obviously low around the neck area and lets just say the sports bra had VERY good support. I am also used to looking at the chest/mid section of my opponent. She way the direction I was looking and game me a very nice smile. I was like "oh shit" in my mind. Then a couple of days later, we were practicing a form, it was a throwing form. My nose ended up getting cushioned. I ended up not sparring or partnering with her as much anymore (unless I had to) because we were becomming too friendly for my comfort. And anytime we talked I mentioned my WIFE in every conversation. Like "oh yeah you took up yoga? great, my WIFE would be interested in knowing the whereabout of a school." stuff like that.>
Post: PTK_PITBULL!16:
If you cant reach the stage of no mind, for whatever reason, what other stage would be good to have?>
Post: wuming:
You make a good point pitbull.
When it comes to stillness, even if you can not achieve it, you should always be striving to achieve it anyways. So, I think it might be counterproductive to cultivate some other state of mind if your goal is to attain stillness.>
Post: PTK_PITBULL!16:
I think someone not able to reach the highest state of mind can do well with this priniciple taken from Munenori, itis called Seeing without Seeing. It goes like this: " It is crucial not to fix your eyes on one place. There is a poem that reads: Stealing glances from a bird, a dragonfly keeps away from it. The dragonfly moves attentively, stealing glances at its enemy's motion. In judging your opponents reaction to the trap you set for him, see him without looking at him; that is, do not fix your eyes on one place. Keep your eyes in motion all the time, and catch glimpses between each movement" end quote.
I think that with that tactic you can build on any strategy that attacks an opponents rhythm, using correct timing, and footwork.>
Post: george stiles:
I focus on only one thing winning i'm going home the fool that atacked me isn't. thats my mind set. concentrating on one thing traps you its like a person with a weapon will sometimes forget to use things other than that weapon. and by doing so vastly limit there fighting capability>
Post: confusingDot:
My eyes personally are pointed (not focused) on the hips. That is pretty much the middle of the body. Then peripheral vision on everything else. Plust this keeps my chin tucked in and a bit safer.
Also i've been told, and have tested out myself, the the hips are usually the first thing to move in pucnhing, and in kicks. That is most likely thier center of gravity, and waht controls where their body is and is going to go.
my mind set though, is that i like to let my mind just run, like kinda overload it. It helps me enter into a dream like state of mind as well. I like to pretend like i have super powers that help me achieve extreme speed, strength, and skill overall... it acutally helps me try harder in those areas. and with the overloading i just like to think of all the options of thigns.
I personally know taht i don't want to focus on nothing, and know that i don't want to focus on everything, but just the things that are needed.>
Post: Raftrider:
Sensei tells us to keep to keep a relaxed, yet alert mind to be able to face what may come to us. Keeping a relaxed mind is essential in any technique, or a randori.>
Post: darkside05:
To me, the best way to for me to focus during a sparring session is by not thinking about that all and just letting my instincts go to work. I've realized overtime that as long as i'm thinking about doing something a certain way then i'll get nailed. If trained properly, you aren't going to think about where you look or hit or block, it will all come naturally, but that just takes time and practice to get there. Basically what i'm getting at in the end is that as long as you are "trying" to get in the no-mind state, you're going to fail at it, just let everything flow out naturally and it will come to you (at least thats how it went for me).>
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