The art of falling
Original Poster: bamboo
Forum: Others
Posted On: 05-01-2005, 18:31
Orginal Post: bamboo: New people often question why we spend alot of time learning how to "recieve" techniques in our dojo, the below picture I believe explains why.
That looks kinda painful!
Post: Tease T Tickle:
That raises an interesting point, I haven't gotten much training in breakfalls and rolls for when you land on your face. Any tips?>
Post: setsu nin to:
Well this guy will spend some more time learning how to fall down after that.>
Post: Bushi:
[quote=DeStRuCtIkOn That raises an interesting point, I haven't gotten much training in breakfalls and rolls for when you land on your face. Any tips?[/quote
Yeah,
DON'T
:lol:>
Post: Bushi:
The art of being uke is probably the most important study IMHO. I took the time to do 50 breakfalls a class 10 back, 10 each side and 10 rolls each side. Before or after class and it has made all the difference. I can Uke for the most new to the greatest, because I realized early on this was extremely important.
This is what I took from my Aikido.>
Post: bushidoka:
:lol: Not too familiar with that technique. How come he doesn't look like he's having fun? :?>
Post: jlambvo:
I've had a few times when my sensei sent me straight into the floor face first with one hand tied up--sort of like above but with no forward moment to roll with. In those cases the only option is to do a kind of one-handed front breakfall.
I went to an MMA-style place that practiced front breakfalls almost as a sprawl, which made me curious how other people train them.
We eventually practice them by sort of doing a back-kick toward the ceiling to propell your head to the floor as if you were being thrown straight down, which is one of the few times such a breakfall is the optimal recieve. As a result you turn upside-down in the air, and absorb the impact of the fall on the meaty underside of the forarms, elbows tucked inside the line of your body, with your head turned to the side and hands place between your face and the ground.
Probably the most embaressing moment of my martial arts career was when our regional shihan was giving a seminar and showing a drill to practice spontaneous rolling: the subject squats on the floor, and is shoved in a random direction by his partner, and the subject is supposed to roll with the force. He did this to me and I tried to somehow combine two rolls or something, and ended up doing a face stand like pictured above... with a shihan and 30 visiting students as an audience :oops:>
Post: 8LimbsScientist:
If you are heading to the ground face first, wouldn't the correct breakfall be the one where you turn your face away from the ground and slap the ground with both hands in such a way that both hands and forearms contact the ground? Like not just palms but the elbow to the fingertips slapping the ground.>
Post: Bushi:
Zempo Ukemi
Front fall>
Post: jlambvo:
'tswhat I tried to describe, yeah>
Post: FallenxAngel66:
Ouch...>
Post: Irish_Blood:
Wouldn't it be better to practice rolls instead of breakfalls? I can't think of one normal situation where you can't roll and need to breakfall.
Falling facefirst down into the ground, you're stationary and static.
If you roll, you are now a moving target and you don't gain as much damage from the fall.
* I think I have a rolling article somewhere.. I'll see if I can find it. *>
Post: Bushi:
I loved to see you try and roll out of my Kata Guruma, O Guruma, Harai goshi, Hani goshi, Uchi mata, Uke Goshi, Makikomi, De ashi harai, Ippon seio nage, Morote seio or many other throws.>
Post: Irish_Blood:
Of course, you can't roll out when someone has your arm or wrist locked - but you really shouldn't go for a breakfall either.
Chances are, if there is force on you, then you can roll out of it.>
Post: jlambvo:
No. Many styles jujutsu throws are designed specifically to bring the opponent straight down into the side of the neck to paralyze, the flat of the back to knock the guy's wind out, or simply face plant him. The trajectories of these "throws" are very linear (so you aren't turning over at all) and are often accompanied by other attacks (strikes, muscle grabs, pressure points, joint locks, and/or simply blockage) that prevent you from receiving with a roll. Sometimes it's a matter of stopping a throw halfway through and dropping the person straight down. In any case, a breakfall becomes necessary.
Of course its best to land on your feet, if not that then roll at the very least with your back to the ground so you don't get booted or choked from behind.... but this is exactly why there is technique to prevent you from doing that, which necessitates a more "severe" kind of recieve.
I'm going to go out on a limb and say that you won't see these methods in most Judo or mutt western 'jujutsu' systems (which are often based on judo).>
Post: Irish_Blood:
Ah, thanks for clearing that up! I'm not too familiar with Judo and Jujitsu throws, and was just working off of personal experience and some minor work I've tried after research. In this case, you're right. I didn't know they did the mid-throw weight drop.>
Post: 8LimbsScientist:
Falling hurts...we're finally getting into some throws in Hapkido. Only did two throws so far, but man...even if you breakfall its still WHAM.>
Post: Tease T Tickle:
[quote=8LimbsScientist Falling hurts...we're finally getting into some throws in Hapkido. Only did two throws so far, but man...even if you breakfall its still WHAM.[/quote
pansy :P
you'll get used to it.>
Post: lakan_sampu:
I only know 1 type of break-fall, that's all I know for now and some rolling. I'm planning to learn more falling basics sooner. I hope I'll get used to it to minimize pain in falling though....I love the sound of my body falling on the mat CORRECTLY....whew>
Post: 8LimbsScientist:
[quote=DeStRuCtIkOn
pansy :P
you'll get used to it.[/quote
Yeah...I was barely able to supress a high pitched whimper the first time. But I'm thinking I'll get used to it. Like when we were first learning to do soft falls, I got good at it using the really soft mats, then when we moved to the harder mats it started hurting again. Then, after further refining my technique (since I HAD to) it feels fine now.
I'd imagine its the same thing with break falls when being thrown. So I think that you can practice break falls all day long, but until you actually are using them after being thrown you won't really refine the technique.>
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