The "Martial Way"
Original Poster: bamboo
Forum: Others
Posted On: 18-03-2007, 19:13
Orginal Post: bamboo: Opa's blog got me thinking- short of becoming a soldier and going to war, can you really live the "martial way"?
Post: Triple T:
Quoting: bamboo;47920 Opa's blog got me thinking- short of becoming a soldier and going to war, can you really live the "martial way"?
yes. Even if you think of soldiers and war, most members of the military nowadays do not see combat. They still march, they still drill, they still go through the same mental programming and live the same lifestyle. It's a certain perspective, it's a lot of discipline but most importantly it's something that "normal" folk just don't get.
That being the case, the same thing can be said about any genuine committment to a specific lifestyle: religious life, married life, operating your own business, involvement in charities, coaching a sports team, etc.>
Post: bamboo:
Interesting response TTT. I was actually stuck thinking about more "period" soldiers and never really looked at it from the perspective of a modern mindset and now am rethinking the entire issue.
Hmmm, now I have to respond later, reschedule my entire day. geez..
-bamboo>
Post: Gazelle:
How would one define 'the martial way', exactly?>
Post: bamboo:
Ahhh- Thats the question really. How would you do it Gazelle?>
Post: nbotary:
Honestly, I think it all falls back on one simple notion - common sense. Common sense tells you to treat others how you want to be treated, know right from wrong, etc. If you read any philosophy books on martial arts in depth, you will see that everything strives for "harmony in nature". The thoughts and ideas of all martial arts are pretty much the same, have the same core concepts and rules or tenents to living ones life. Ironically, these are the same tenents found in organized religions.
In a nutshell, common sense should just tell you to try and be a good person. If you're doing that, you're living the "martial way".>
Post: bamboo:
Quoting: nbotary;47955
In a nutshell, common sense should just tell you to try and be a good person. If you're doing that, you're living the "martial way".
Does "martial" living really mean being kind to others? Perhaps that may be included in the "ethics" of some systems but are soldiers going to Iraq told- "Kill with compassion"?
To me, living a more "martial" lefstyle includes training and regularly "fighting" but more importantly operating day to day in a very aware stae of mind. Always knowing the openings of myself and the people around me, knowing my surroundings and behaving accordingly.
This of course borders on the paranoid since I leave in a peaceful suburb of a peaceful city in a peaceful country.
-bamboo>
Post: Triple T:
I suppose - and this is the evolution of what amounts to a brain hiccup - that there is a difference between a martial way of life and a combat mentality. For instance, what separated the Mogol horde from the gentleman knights of Europe and their Muslim counterparts during Ghengis' conquest? What separated the Germanic barbarians from the Roman legions? Without journals or biographers of the common soldiers in these campaigns, anything we could say would really just be conjecture, but bear with me here.
We always imagine barbarians, Vikings, the Mongols, the Huns, etc. as bloodthirsty, storming the castle walls for the excitement of it, the spoils behind them, or some other fairly mundane objective. Then we always hear of "civilized" soldiers, professional combatants, adopting strange lifestyles and philosophies which somehow make the act of killing or dying in battle akin to spiritual advancement. The Crusaders were told that for every day they served in the fight against Islam, they would spend one less day in Purgatory.
My personal exposure to any kind of "martial way" didn't start until I wrote an essay about the Knights Templar in my freshman year of high school. I had trained in two different martial arts by this point in time, but none of them tried to cultivate any kind of lifestyle. They merely wanted me to throw pretty roundhouse kicks and stand in rigid stances. And while I agree with Botary's post, I also feel like there are certain groups - much like "esoteric" religious groups - who use the martial arts not as the backdrop of a code of ethics, but as a method of self-improvement. That is, by dropping into a rigid stance, we learn to strengthen our resolve. By executing flawless technique, we demonstrate our committment to perfection.
Understandably, actual fighting very rarely comes into play with such a perspective.>
Post: zefff:
Maybe my mood is affecting my focus but I didnt get the point of that last post???
TBH I dont see any 'martial way'. There is only one way - The way. Its the same if you are a baker or a soldier. Both have successes and failures in their practice and both live and die.
Also, 'soldier' is not a black and white thing. What is one soldiers battlefield is the holiday vacation of another? And why cant the baker be a soldier?>
Post: zefff:
Hmm, no takers? I need to know if I am wrong or not.
To answer the question in the first post, yes I think you can live 'the way'.
Wether it is healthy or unhealthy to do so is another matter.>
Post: Gazelle:
'The martial way' is simply a phrase that has no set definition; therefore they have not even any agreed meaning to dampen a persons individual interpritation. Therefore, no one can become close to being wrong, technically.
My take on it, i think is that one does not need to train in a martial art to live this 'way', but to have the ideal basic 'mentality' that i think a true martial artist has.
I think it is associated with awareness, the quest of refinement (apologies for the vagueness of this), patience, the ability to do what needs to be done without complaint or hinderance, to discover and follow your own 'code of life' (after all, a martial artist, i think is a person first and a soldier second, if at all, and, even a soldier must follow his/her own guide), but not just any code of life, one that is associated with finding their balance between life and death, killing and not, (perhaps, if it was further back i would say something about being a warrior in there, if one was to put it more inconjunction with martial arts, but, i think that could be sufficiently explained away simply by saying that someone 'lives the martial way' and 'is a warrior/martial artist/soldier/whatever appropriate (i have no time to linger on this point)' - 'warrior' being used in a fighting sense - but i think now, that has faded out of neccesity now at any rate).
All in all, 'martial way' is simply personal quest to better themselves. But note, at least in my view this is not the 'single way'. One can go on a personal quest to give themselves higher standing in things (cash, power, whatever), that is not to me living the martial way, this is not a 'quest of refinement' in the sense i am meaning it.
Of course, that is in my little world, from my little perspective. If you account for everyone's perspective, then technically, everyone is most probably living every 'way' imaginable, and therefore living a 'single way', as you stated, Zefff. But, i think one should judge the world through your own eyes, not others, but using others to better clarify and refine your own.>
Post: Triple T:
Quoting: zefff;47960 TBH I dont see any 'martial way'. There is only one way - The way. Its the same if you are a baker or a soldier. Both have successes and failures in their practice and both live and die.[/quote
perhaps, but rare is the baker who dies baking. The idea is also that the perfection of one's "art" does not always relate to the perfection of one's self. I can be a perfect baker and still be a completely miserable jackass. However, certain 'arts' necessitate the development of the self in a way that other 'arts' do not. Mxing dough and throwing it in the oven may take a little bit of knowledge and skill, it does not require discipline, respectfulness, compassion, honesty or any other trait that "the way" may develop,
Quote: Also, 'soldier' is not a black and white thing. What is one soldiers battlefield is the holiday vacation of another? And why cant the baker be a soldier?
I don't know about you, but soldier is pretty black and white. It's a professional killer who operates for reasons other than money.>
Post: nbotary:
Zefff - the baker can be a soldier. Personally, I think all the people who died on 911 were soldiers. You don't have to be in the military to serve your country and be considered a patriot. Everyone of those men, women and children gave their lives to their country - albiet not by choice and not through war. If the baker overhears a conversation between two men to commit an act of terrorism, he calls it in and saves just one life, he's a soldier in my eyes.
We are all inherently taught as children all of life's bitter lessons and how to resolve them at the age of 6 or when we first enter kindergarten (grammer or elementary school for our foreign friends). Seriously, if you think about it, you're taught manners, you're taught to share, you're taught to rules and you learn how to socialize with others. It's what you do with those lessons and how you cultivate your experiences as an adult that should help to shape your moral beliefs and provide you with the sense of right and wrong in society. As you begin to fully understand the difference between right and wrong, you will notice that if you apply the "martial way" to the lessons you've been taught, you will see that they are somewhat parallel.>
Post: bamboo:
At the risk of sounding very unpopular, I simply cannot see the victims of the "9/11" attacks as soldiers, heroes or patriots. They were unsuspecting business people and bystanders killed by anti-american aggressors.
That is all.
I'm sorry to those that suffered a loss for this terrible incident, one that replays everyday in our world, but lets not start or continue to label them postmortum for actions and deeds they were not involved in.
bamboo (awaiting the flames)>
Post: Gazelle:
Quoting: bamboo;48010 At the risk of sounding very unpopular, I simply cannot see the victims of the "9/11" attacks as soldiers, heroes or patriots. They were unsuspecting business people and bystanders killed by anti-american aggressors.
That is all.
I'm sorry to those that suffered a loss for this terrible incident, one that replays everyday in our world, but lets not start or continue to label them postmortum for actions and deeds they were not involved in.
bamboo (awaiting the flames)
I agree.
They did not put their life on the line willingly for the US, but were forced into it. Now some that died might well have been willing to sacrifice that for their country, but, that did not show from this. Even if an individual puts their life on the line for an individual it does not imply that they are patriots, but people with an inclination to help people, for what ever reason, if any.
Also, i think you can be a patriot and not a soldier, and vice versa. Just because you are a soldier, it does not mean that you are so strongly attached to your coutry that you are willing to die for it, it might be that they do it just because it seems respectful/to get the recognition, and, maybe because they like/seek the heat of battle. And, you can be a patriot and never have any training to fight, nor ever do, and, to be a soldier, you need to have done at least one of those, i think as a concept, and, speaking as a profession, you get the training at any rate (apart from those that were just dumped into a war zone, which fulfils what i stated previously), and you put on performances/carry out tasks/keep up training as a job (that is the key ingredient, they may not be doing it for any reason other than money, for their own person, or whatever reason).>
Post: nbotary:
Bamboo and Gazelle - I see and respect both of your points of view. However, I think it's safe to say that we are going to agree to disagree on this and call it at that. :)>
Post: zefff:
Its interesting that we all have differing meanings for the same simple words we use. I think I understand what some of you are saying but have to disagree with a lot because of the definitions and connotations that have sent peoples mind off on tangents.
Gazelle,
I had to re-read but I think I understand what you are saying. I dont know anything about 'the way' but I would imagine it is not a personal quest to better oneself, but more a way of finding harmony with the universe, humbling oneself and knowing your place - which is probably everywhere so not neccessarily a bad thing! So it might be a way of losing 'yourself' rather than finding if you know what I mean. :)
Des,
You seem to be straying from your usual stance - maybe its just the way I read it?
The baker who does not recieve spiritual insight from his art is not the 'master baker' at all IMHO. Maybe you've underestimated the fanaticism of the master baker. Death and life is the highest art of the soldier but gastronomy can be life and death too. Maybe we elevate the warrior because we value life over other necessities but food gives life as well as joy.
"...discipline, respectfulness, compassion, honesty or any other trait that "the way" may develop."
The master baker will have these traits IMO. We can say it is impossible for an everyday baker to recieve these gifts but how many everyday soldiers have the spiritual gifts themselves? The ideal we have in our heads is only us giving value to the idea of a 'martial way'. IMHO it is not special and it shouldnt be worth more than another study.
NBotary,
Anyone can be a soldier at any time but that is different to following the soldiers way (maybe). Although understandable, when you talk about the 911 victims it smacks of propaganda. They didnt give their lives, their lives were taken so they are murder victims IMHO. I can see how calling them soldiers might honour them though. I agree with your mentioning of parallels though. The way is an intrinsicly, intertwined phenomenon IMHO.
I dont know really. I dont read, I just talk to people who've done the reading for me! :) I think I need to pay Sifu a visit!
peace>
Post: Gazelle:
For once, i will leave you're comments on other peoples veiws that have been posted for others to answer, at least at the moment.
As for what you mention of mine, Zeff...i think you are possibly right, in the sense that maybe my thoughts are closer to that than how i phrased it. However, i should point out, just because you are on a personal quest, it doesn't mean it's to find yourself. And, in some ways, i think maybe to loose yourself is to find it, and vice versa.
lol. Apologies, i don't wish to bring this thread off track, but, i've just realised, we all apparently joined in 1970!lol. That would have certainly been a feat for me, and a few others!
And, NB, well, it's rather apparent that we disagree, i think we can agree on that quite safely, however, i will in accordance agree to let it be:). Yep, definately too much of a mathematician!lol>
Post: zefff:
Fair do's! :D>
Post: Triple T:
Quoting: zefff;48039 Des,
You seem to be straying from your usual stance - maybe its just the way I read it?...
I see the "stray" and I will explain it. With an understanding of the Tao (to make sure nobody gets caught up on the word 'way'), we can see it in every action that every person does. So, a baker can follow the Tao, in fact the baker has no choice but to follow the Tao to some degree or another. (NOTE: Others may disagree with my assessment of the Tao, I see it much like the dharma, the manner of all things as they are). That being said, we are not discussing the Tao, we're discussing the martial way.
Not everything within the experiential world is like everything else. This would normally be written off as a delusion, but let's not get wrapped up in my typical headtrips. If I step into a kitchen, seeking to master the craft of baking (just to follow the current example), all I need to do is understand the processes that create breads, cakes, muffins, pastries and other baked goods. Luckily, these are limited to a small handful of chemical and physical reactions: leavening; the creation of gluten; the structural elements produced by proteins. fats and sugars; the action of heat. You can read that in a book. Then, through experience, gather 'the feel' for when a dough is right. Baking is formulaic, it's driven by scientific principles and all it takes to make the best bread you've ever tasted is an appreciation for good ingredients and respect for proportions. When I walk back out of that kitchen, I have not changed.
Killing somebody, surviving a life-or-death struggle, even just practicing to fight changes you deeply. When I walk into a dojo, seeking to master the art of combat, there is no science. While experience will grant a "feel" for spacing and timing, the principles that guide how they are used can barely be communicated. We can talk until we're blue in the face about Aikidoka accepting energy, Wing Chun exponents utilizing the center line theory or even Muay Thai deadleggings but until it is experienced, it is not known. How hot do you need an oven? For fine-crumb cakes and pastries 325, for heartier breads 425 (all degrees F). This is known without even looking at a kitchen: it's in every cookbook. How hard do you need to kick to deadleg? How far do you need to extend their left arm towards their right to trap? You cannot be told. Through the experience, the stress, the excitement, the fear, the pain, the realization that you are capable of destruction, the coming-to-grips of one's own mortality: combat changes you forever.>
Post: zefff:
I hear you. Maybe you are right, I dont know, but what you described of baking is what I would call the basics of baking. The basics of soldiering is in the drilling and maybe even killing itself is basic skill for a warrior. Who is to say that the experiences of combat are greater than those of baking? That is what I am saying.
Killing and being killed may change a man more than baking, I dont know, but I guess this is maybe straying off topic. :)>
Post: Gazelle:
It depends where you're going with it.
A baker has some pretty traumatic experiences, i know...there's a huge risk of burning oneself, there's all the stress involved with getting the timings right, and remembering not to leave things in too long, and, of course, can't be forgetting to heat the oven properly, but, i think in everyday life, for the majority of people the effect that those things have on the psyche is perhaps quite different, and, depending on how stressed you are, and how badly you get burnt, quite a great deal more severe than one would experience in battle. I believe that's what Tease was pointing at, if this acts in anyway at all to clarify things.>
Post: zefff:
"A baker has some pretty traumatic experiences, i know"
LMAO! Ahh thats the funniest thing on the internet this week! Thanks Gazelle! :D
TBH I still believe that only the baker knows himself and same for the soldier.
What is the point of the martial way? What are the benefits of following it?>
Post: Gazelle:
lol. Happy to oblige:)
Of course a baker can know himself! I'm not denying that, and, nor is Tease, i think, but, i think the point is that 'a way' is not neccesarily a path to 'know oneself' as explained in some other post, unless your interpretation is that a 'way' is just the above, which, i know it cannot be, because your of the impression that there is simply one 'way'', and you implied that it was...well, that only actually works if you believe people conciously think about it, which i also not to be true, as otherwise you wouldn't think everyone to be on one 'way...as far as i can ascertain, Zeff, you are interpreting 'the way' to be life, basically, the path we take in it. And in that case, you have no need to draw a distinction between the two (this, baker and soldier stuff is completely out of the realms of my interpretation, you'll note, it is just a valid point that in general (oh, boy, generalising again...), soldiers who have seem combat will find it has more of an impact on them then a baker who has baked the worst wedding cake, and has less than a day to fix it.>
Post: Triple T:
Quoting: zefff;48061 What is the point of the martial way? What are the benefits of following it?
I hate to sound so French, but there is no point and no benefit because regardless of how self-aware or self-mastered we become through any "way" we all wind up as fertilizer.
I know I don't give a shit if I'm the most disciplined fertilizer in the cemetary.>
Post: bamboo:
If you give a shit, your not following the way anyway.>
Post: Gazelle:
Quoting: Triple T;48085 I hate to sound so French, but there is no point and no benefit because regardless of how self-aware or self-mastered we become through any "way" we all wind up as fertilizer.
I know I don't give a shit if I'm the most disciplined fertilizer in the cemetary.
That really isn't your philosopher's head, is it, tease. You could use that arguement to say there is no point or no benefit for a lot of things in philosophy, in fact, pretty much all of it, probably. And, in fact you could even argue, because we all end up as fertiliser anyway, what does it matter how we end up there.
And realistically, doesn't, but, for individuals it does, just as for some individuals thinking about this stuff does matter.>
Post: bamboo:
Philosophy doesn't have to be complicated, thats people that do that.>
Post: Gazelle:
I never said it had to be...>
Post: zefff:
Thanks for answering my questions!
I dont know shizzle about philosophies but I know that a philosophy has to be simple at its core for it to affect the world. Ideas affect the world and this is how we can achieve immortality (here on this planet) IMHO.
Maybe the 'martial way' is a method to help preserve your idea? :)
peace>
Post: Gazelle:
Whatever it may have started as, i understand that it is now undefined, so....if you wish to think it as that, i can offer no real arguement against:). Though, what do you mean by 'preserve your idea'?>
Post: zefff:
Well the most prevalent example is probably the idea that God is right, so people fight for God...they win and go on to tell others that God is right. (The idea) God becomes immortal because he is remembered.
The idea of God is different from God himself just as the idea of say, Napolean or Da Vinci is different from the flesh.
Anyway this chat must end as I dont know anything at all about the 'martial way'...notice that all the guys who know something of the meaning of Bushido and Budo aint saying much if anything? :D>
Post: Gazelle:
Well, there could be several reasons for that, Zeff...and we may never discover which ones are the honest explanations:) i think with anything like this, unless your experienced on the topic there's a certain amount of 'bashing about' at any rate...part of the fun.:)>
Post: opariser1001:
how on earth did i miss this thread?! well, i'll reply more later, but to start: i agree with Zefff on the issue of the baker's way vs the martial way. they are one and the same. perhaps i am just stupidly regurgitating things i've read, but I tend to find a lot of lessons in the book 'Musashi'. In it, there are several parts where Musashi stands in awe at master artisans, artists, and others. He admits defeat to himself at the hands of Koetsu, someone who wasn't even a samurai! Koetsu was merely someone who had mastered his art. Why, even today, is The Book of Five Rings studied by businessmen? Because the Martial Way is also the Way of Business, in my opinion. The same goes for pottery, painting, farming, and almost anything else you can think of. It's all one Way. Again, just my humble opinion. Hope I don't sound too retarded.>
Post: opariser1001:
from my blog:
So we have a thread going about this and this topic is very intriguing to me. I wrote about the Martial Way before as if it was different from any other Way. I believe it is not. I believe that one who masters the Way of pottery gains the same spiritual growth from their craft as one who masters the Martial Way. There is a part-fictional, part-true account of Miyamoto Musashi's life called 'Musashi'. Though many of the things detailed in the book did not actually happen, I believe there are still many lessons to be gained through the study of it.
At one point in the story, Musashi stops to admire some craftsmen who are in the process of creating clay bowls. He gazes in awe at the how masterfully they move their hands and how much skill it takes to create something as simple as a rice bowl. At this moment he realizes how far he has to go along the path of self-improvement, and recognizes that these craftsmen are no different from samurai. They are men who have mastered their craft. When he encounters Koetsu after his battle with Yoshioka Seijuro, the sight of a simple tea bowl that Koetsu had made humbles him and forces him to silently admit defeat to a man with much deeper spiritual resources than himself. Yet, this man had surely not trained in the Martial Way. No, but he was a master of his own craft, and this, in my opinion is the spirit of the Way. The fact that it can be attained through any endeavor shows how truly magnificent the principle of the Way is.
So though a baker does not risk his life on the battlefield to make bread, and the quantities of ingredients can be easily mastered, it does not make the Way of baking any easier than the Martial Way. It is true that anyone can master the basics of baking, but the feel for it is something that cannot be explained or quantified, and this is the Way that must be striven for. This is why I believe the Way is inherent in all endeavors.>
Post: Gazelle:
That's a fair opinion on it...however, not everyone is trying to perfect a 'craft', there are a handful, i'm sure, who don't try to develop anything. And, also, i think the 'martial way' in this case would simply be a way of saying that 'this person is following the way through practicing a martial art'.>
Post: opariser1001:
Quoting: Gazelle;48174 That's a fair opinion on it...however, not everyone is trying to perfect a 'craft', there are a handful, i'm sure, who don't try to develop anything.[/quote
i agree that there are people like that, but I myself don't see a point to life unless you are trying to improve yourself in some way.
Quote: And, also, i think the 'martial way' in this case would simply be a way of saying that 'this person is following the way through practicing a martial art'.
exactly. the Way is the Way, whether you practice martial arts or fishing.>
Post: Triple T:
Quoting: opariser1001;48193 the Way is the Way, whether you practice martial arts or fishing.
That sounds awesome. I think I want to study the Big Mouth Bass Way. :lol:>
Post: Gazelle:
Quoting: Triple T;48196 That sounds awesome. I think I want to study the Big Mouth Bass Way. :lol:
*rolls eyes* :)>
Post: opariser1001:
Quoting: Triple T;48196 That sounds awesome. I think I want to study the Big Mouth Bass Way. :lol:
lmao TTT. as long as you know that this Way can also lead you to enlightenment! :lol:>
Post: nbotary:
I can see it now...
Tease reaches nirvana as he reels in a bass the size of a guppy... !!! :lol: :lol: :lol:>
Post: Triple T:
N: I don't know how big a guppy is. :lol: I'm a city boy and they don't serve guppy for dinner anywhere that I know of.
A: I can't believe you rolled your eyes at me! :lol:
O: Truthfully, I've stopped trying to find enlightenment. It gets in the way of doing other things.>
Post: opariser1001:
but they say that when you try to find it is when it eludes you. so while you're busy doing other things, you're getting closer to enlightenment! so ha! jokes on you! :lol:>
Post: Gazelle:
Quoting: opariser1001;48245 but they say that when you try to find it is when it eludes you. so while you're busy doing other things, you're getting closer to enlightenment! so ha! jokes on you! :lol:
He never said anything about not getting closer to it, just that he had stopped trying to find it. So don't be so quick to deal out those comments:), as, i don't quite see, given the above fact, how the joke is on him. And, out of curiosity, do you happen to understand why they say that? I recommend that you express what you believe to be true on this subject (and if you don't know, then make sure you have it clear in your head at least, avoids confusion), not what other people believe to be so, and, if you are using a common opinion, it might be better to make sure that you believe it to be an opinion of a group of people who are reliable (of, course, you may well have done that, just guess i've somehow sunk into a 'lecturing' mode again).
Tease, why, of course i rolled my eyes at you.:) Why shouldn't I?
lol.>
Post: zefff:
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Post: Gazelle:
What's with the puppets?:)>
Post: zefff:
If you dont know who they are then forget about it. But if you do know who they are then you can imagine what they might be saying after reading through the thread. :)>
Post: Gazelle:
Oh, i know who they are...well, i've seen them before in the muppets christmas carol a long time ago, but, i don't recall anything about their characters...oh well, looks like i'll be in the dark on this one, until i watch a film with them in, again.:)>
Post: The BadBoy:
LMAO @ Statler and Waldorf.
Statler: "I enjoyed that last post."
Waldorf: "Why?"
Statler: "Because it was the LAST post."
Waldorf: "It's good to be heckling again."
Statler: "It's good to be doing anything again.">
Post: opariser1001:
note the :lol: in my post gazelle. it was a joke.>
Post: Triple T:
Quoting: Gazelle;48257 Tease, why, of course i rolled my eyes at you.:) Why shouldn't I?
lol.
I never said you shouldn't, I just said I couldn't believe you did. You've never given me sass before, and I don't think you want me to get used to it. :-P
Zefff: I think it's very telling that a thirty-something such as yourself would be the first to post muppets. Do your parents know that you look at websites where people use curse words and discuss beating each other up? Now go to your room and think about what you've done. :lol:>
Post: dscott:
I just wonder what Black Panta thinks of those muppets. Isn't he deathly afraid of muppets?>
Post: Gazelle:
lol. Well, you may have put it in there if it weren't.:)>
Post: nbotary:
Oh shit, I forgot all about the muppets thing!!! :lol: :lol: :lol:
Yeah, I think Panta is the one afraid of the muppets. But, he's a pretty good sport about the teasing...>
Post: opariser1001:
Quoting: Gazelle;48291 lol. Well, you may have put it in there if it weren't.:)
lol Gazelle. you don't think much of me do you? meh.>
Post: Gazelle:
Opariser, i don't know you, therefore i don't know how you may or may not reply. So, it's not so much that i think little of you, as that i don't know you well enough for my brain to naturally go with the correct interpretation for you.>
Post: opariser1001:
no you don't know me, but you have to have an overall low opinion of someone to think that they would waste their time going back and editing a smiley into a post so that someone they have never met and never will meet would think that they were joking over the internet. anyway...like i said before: meh.>
Post: Triple T:
Why would she think lowly of you, Oz? You're only the maniacal warlord of a zombie army slowly decimating the eastern seaboard, you bastard. :lol:>
Post: opariser1001:
lmao TTT looks like i have to catch up on your blog :lol:>
Post: Gazelle:
Quoting: opariser1001;48319 no you don't know me, but you have to have an overall low opinion of someone to think that they would waste their time going back and editing a smiley into a post so that someone they have never met and never will meet would think that they were joking over the internet. anyway...like i said before: meh.
You misunderstand me, i did not think you editted it the smiley in to give people another impression! I'd never think that of anyone without knowing their ways in the first place, and that actually corresponded to them! My argument was, that the smiley in there did not neccesarily imply that it was a joke. And, i happened to interpret that it was not, probably because i have a tendancy to take things seriously unless i have reason to believe otherwise, and, i guess, for once, i read it, and for once, the thought did not occur to me that it might be a joke. So i apologise for the misunderstanding.>
Post: Triple T:
Quoting: Gazelle;48329 i have a tendancy to take things seriously unless i have reason to believe otherwise,
That's VERY dangerous with me around.>
Post: Gazelle:
lol. I know, but, i know what you're like a bit more than opariser:), which means, i have better boundaries formulated especcially for you as to what to take seriously and what not:).>
Post: opariser1001:
Quoting: Gazelle;48329 You misunderstand me, i did not think you editted it the smiley in to give people another impression! I'd never think that of anyone without knowing their ways in the first place, and that actually corresponded to them! My argument was, that the smiley in there did not neccesarily imply that it was a joke. And, i happened to interpret that it was not, probably because i have a tendancy to take things seriously unless i have reason to believe otherwise, and, i guess, for once, i read it, and for once, the thought did not occur to me that it might be a joke. So i apologise for the misunderstanding.
no prob! :)>
Post: Gazelle:
Quoting: opariser1001;48347 no prob! :)
Goody goody gumdrops. Sorry, it's something i heard when i was small, and, since then, just sort of pops out of my mouth, or in this case my fingers from time to time.lol. You should see the confusion on people's faces sometimes when they hear it.lol.>
Post: Triple T:
boundries?
Life isn't governed by a limit, we can attain everything we can approach.
The key is to approach silently from behind with a rag of chloroform or a very sharp ice pick. :lol:>
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