This one's for you Monkey
Original Poster: BLACK PANTA
Forum: Others
Posted On: 15-11-2004, 05:04
Orginal Post: BLACK PANTA: Hey man....First things first, you should change your name to Anansi. It's a West Indian characther in quite a few West Indian folk tales. He's a mischevious spider. lol.
2nd.
I was sitting back doing some of my regular thinking to myself. Then I realized. You and I are kinda like the Ying and Yang brovas in FA. I am a TMA artist at heart and you are an MMA artist at heart. But currently I am tasting the MMA side by training in JKD and BJJ and you are tasting the TMA side by tasting Hapkido. How's it look and feel from youre perspective bro?
The way it's goin for me so far is as follows. It's a relatively big change. I'm used to being as straight as a needle when learning Kung Fu. Where as in the JKD and BJJ schools I attend, it's comparitively way more relaxed. The instructors cuss and speak candidly to you. Both training methods are intense but in different ways. Kung Fu we strengthen both our external body and our internal body. In the JKD and BJJ schools, so far, I am conditioning my external body. I'd like to say more but pressed for time. Just wanted to get this out, b4 I loose this train of thought. I intend to expand more when I have more time. As for you, post your experience and views man.
Post: 8LimbsScientist:
Hey Panta! Sorry I've been slacking on the Sifu Cat jokes. :twisted:
Anyway, technically I really wasn't MMA because all I ever trained was Muay Thai, but I did train in a sportive manner and alongside many BJJ stylists.
Anyway, the same thing you notice, I noticed. Training was super informal in MT. During breaks we'd talk about whatever and conversation often turned pretty crude. Curse words were thrown around and it wasn't even a problem. Addressing the instructor by his first name wasn't a problem either.
It was a 180 degree turn going from MT to HKD/TKD. Suddenly I had to address the instructor by Sir, no curse words allowed, and conversation was limited. There was a lot more practicing of techniques in the air, but actually there are quite a bit of similarities.
In both HKD/TKD and MT we practice techniques on focus mitts, and there is a lot of sparring with basically the same amount of contact as in MT. In TKD anyway, so far there's been no sparring at all in HKD, which worries me. The cardio workout is probably about the same in MT or TKD with MT giving me a better workout, and HKD is much less strenuous. The heavy judo-style dobok in HKD is really hot compared to Thai shorts and a t-shirt.
Basically I've grown to have respect for both aspects. I'm not going to say that MMA is the ultimate martial art anymore, because I recognize a lot of value in what I learn in TMA. At the same time, I'm glad my base is MMA because the inherently TMA-critical mindset makes me cynical of techniques I learn and I can easily pick out the shortcomings of my training in TMA.
I'm trying to figure out a way to incorporate sparring into HKD...I just haven't figured out how to incorporate jointlocks into realistic situations including striking without hurting my partner.>
Post: 8LimbsScientist:
Also,
I just did my first TKD tournament. It was semi-contact, and obviously leg attacks were prohibited. Its amazing how much this changes the way you fight. Also, it was ITF rules meaning you could punch to the face.
Anyway, even though it was ostensibly semi-contact, they only enforce this rule when hitting someone in the head. You can go to town on peoples bodies, believe me, I felt it, lol. This isn't a rule or anything, different referees allow different levels of contact, with some being very strict. But many refs allow much more force to the body. Anyway, it wasn't Muay Thai, but it was a lot of fun nonetheless. I came out of it with a few bumps and bruises and a silver medal. I need to learn how to exploit the system more before I can be taking gold, lol.
Anyway, it may not be the most realistic fighting event, but I will tell you this, it was a lot of fun, and there was quite a bit of contact which is good.>
Post: amacorp:
A TKD tournament that prohibits kicking is one of the silliest things i have ever heard of.>
Post: Gong||Jau:
I guess I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure he meant attacks that target the legs.>
Post: BLACK PANTA:
yes he is talking about attacking the legs. One misplaced kick to the knees, and a person's TKD career could be over.
I find that due to my TMA training, I constantly greet people with my left hand over my right fist. The teachers I have are maad cool though. They return my greeting in kind. In my BJJ and JKD school, the students seem to have a lot more familiarity with eachother. Mind you there are some dude with attitudes and very cocky, but the majority of the students are very friendly.
The application training, however are the same. Sparring, Lessons are pretty much the same. There are however much more compliments in my BJJ and JKD school than my TMA training. I mean in the TMA trianing they compliment you, but in the in the other schools they go out of their way to make you feel good. Both schools of training (TMA, BJJ and JKD) give me alot of individual focus. Help is always there when you need it. I honestly didn't expect that from the BJJ school. I expect that from my JKD instructor because our classes are not that big. But the BJJ school there are a whole lot of students.
I attended my first BJJ tournament as a spectator. It was fun. The school I attend doesn't push you for tournaments. I like that, however they do get excited when thier students take part in tournaments. I dont know, but I MAY take part in one tournament. Just to see how it feels. The cool thing is though, the teacher, said that it's cool that I dont want to compete and he respects my reason for not doing so. He assures me that I will not be neglected in my training because I dont want to compete.
I have a new found respect for the MMA training. I still however dont really want to be an MMA fighter. My goal is to be a TMAist true and true. Techniques I have learned in Kung Fu has really helped me in the BJJ and JKD. They dont have the Kung Fu sux attitude in both schools. They are actually very open to seeing how I incorporate my Kung Fu training in the lessons learned. Both schools I attend respect the TMAs and never compare/put down the TMAs.>
Post: 8LimbsScientist:
LOL! Yes I was referring to no attacks that target the legs. A TKD tournament with no kicks would absolutely be silly. I do wish they included leg kicks though because that is seriously deficient in the training. Also, I enjoy dishing out leg kicks, lol.
An MMA oriented class really has a whole different atmosphere than a TMA class. I think I like elements of both, and I think it really makes you a more well rounded martial artist to have experience in both types of training.
One thing I've found difficult is reconciling the difference in kicking techniques between MT and TKD. I love the sheer power and destruction of the Thai roundkick, but I can't deny that the TKD kick is faster and harder to catch. I also like how in MT we pop the hip into the teep giving it more power, where in TKD the leg just comes up and snaps out.>
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