salt\sodium...bad for me?
Original Poster: jerbo8
Forum: Weight Loss
Posted On: 27-05-2004, 19:50
Orginal Post: jerbo8: i heard tday that salt\sodium was unhealthy, is this true?
Post: dscott:
Anything is bad for you if you have too much.>
Post: jerbo8:
about how many miligrams of sodium should i have a day?>
Post: TKDman:
That depends on things like age, weight, blood pressure, etc.
If you're over 14, then a MAX of 6 grams.
http://www.bupa.co.uk/health_information/html/health_news/300103salt.html for more details>
Post: Stg:
wrong. 6g is a crazy amount. more like 2.sodium won't kill you but if your intake is too high you'll be very bloated,among other things. :D>
Post: TKDman:
6g of salt. Not sodium. 1g of sodium = 2.55g of salt, roughly>
Post: Stg:
still way too high man :P>
Post: TKDman:
By what standard is that too high? I got the figure from the site I posted. Do you have a more credible source? By all means share!>
Post: Stg:
read any health/fitness magazine,ask any fitness enthuisiast,ask any(other) personal trainer. nobody in thier right mind who has any knowledge on the subject would recommend more than 2g of sodium. 1g of sodium = 2.55g of salt,and you claim 6g of salt is good,do the math. too high.>
Post: TKDman:
6/2.55 = roughly 2.35. That's only 0.35 g more than what you say is recommended. YOU do the math. Can you at least site a source? A magazine article, fitness site, anything? I like hard proof. Call me old fashioned.>
Post: Stg:
cripes,just check any fitness site/magazine,do i have to list every brand of magazine/every website out there now?
magazines-
muscle and fitness
flex
men's fitness
men's health
websites- bodybuilding.com
abcbodybuildng.com
ANY PERSONAL TRAINER CERTIFICATION COURSE.
that's all you need. do yourself a favor,stop believing everything you hear from news websites and do your own research.>
Post: TKDman:
"Sodium in the diet is measured in milligrams (mg). There is no recommended dietary allowance, called RDA, for sodium. But the National Academy of Sciences states that a person should consume at least 500 mg per day, and that healthy adults should stay within the range of 1,100 to 3,300 mg a day."
http://health.discovery.com/diseasesandcond/encyclopedia/1938.html
"A major factor to be considered is salt sensitivity. According to Dr. Tom Brody [48 , salt-sensitive people (a higher increase in mean arterial blood pressure, in relation to sodium intake) tend to develop hypertension with an intake of 3-6 grams of NA per day, whereas healthy individuals may not with up to 7.2 grams a day"
http://www.abcbodybuilding.com/magazine03/sodium.htm
"Most men get far more sodium in their diets than they really need," says Sheri Barke, R.D., M.P.H., nutrition education coordinator at the Arthur Ashe Student Health and Wellness Center at the University of California, Los Angeles. In fact, men often consume close to five grams a day, even though the National Institutes of Health recommends no more than 2.4 grams." This is from an article in Men's Fitness.
http://articles.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1608/is_9_18/ai_90683745
"Earlier this year, the Institute of Medicine, which helps set government nutrition recommendations, decided that people should try to take in about 1,500 milligrams (mg) of sodium daily, with an upper limit of 2,300 mg. Before, they recommended no more than 2,400 mg."
[url http://www.menshealth.com/cda/article/0,2823,s1-6-0-0-1322,00.html[/url
"The current recommendation is to consume less than 2,400 milligrams (mg) of sodium a day. This is about 1 teaspoon of table salt per day. It includes ALL salt and sodium consumed, including sodium used in cooking and at the table."
http://www.annecollins.com/sodium-rda-diet.htm
6g SALT/2.55 = 2.35 g SODIUM. 2.35 g SODIUM = 2,350 mg SODIUM
2,350 mg <2,400 mg and 2,350 mg < 3,300 mg.
www.google.com
You were saying stg?>
Post: Stg:
fine. your equation came out to 2.35g sodium.but most people will tell you NOT TO GET MORE THAN 2G period.a few articles isn't most people.in fact i belive your quotes themselves say LESS THAN 2.4G,and cutting it down to 2.3 isn't a significan't difference so do me a favor,spare me your asshole "i know more than you because i check websites that are probably not even accurate/don't even list sources for thier studies" attitude and go ASK another actual person who's knowledgable in this field how much sodium is too much. as in a personal trainer,professional fitness enthuisast,bodybuilder.i have far more experience with nutrtition experimenting than you,as do everyone i know,so i know 2g salt is the limit.now,unitl you do shitloads if research EVERYDAY and youre certified in the field as nutrtition,stop acting like you know everything. peace.>
Post: TKDman:
[quote=Stg do me a favor,spare me your asshole "i know more than you because i check websites that are probably not even accurate/don't even list sources for thier studies" attitude and go ASK another actual person who's knowledgable in this field how much sodium is too much. as in a personal trainer,professional fitness enthuisast,bodybuilder.i have far more experience with nutrtition experimenting than you,as do everyone i know,so i know 2g salt is the limit.now,unitl you do shitloads if research EVERYDAY and youre certified in the field as nutrtition,stop acting like you know everything. peace.[/quote
Aren't we a little crabby. I was doing EXACTLY what you said to do. Research other web sites. Here's my data. You have yet to provide a SINGLE example that disproves my statement. Instead you respond with childish anger at possibly being proven wrong. "I have far more experience with nutrition experimenting than you do"??? How do you know that??? You've never met me! How do you know that EVERYONE else you know, knows more than I do. The've probably never met me!!!
Which leads me to my second problem with your reply:
You say I have an attitude of I know more because I check websites that may not be accurate/don't site their sources. Perhaps the egg on your face is getting in your eyes because IN THE DIRECT QUOTES FROM THE WEBSITES ALMOST ALL THOSE SITES I HAVE LISTED HAVE SOURCES:
-National Academy of Sciences...
-Dr. Tom Brody...
-The Institute of Medicine
-Sheri Barke, R.D., M.P.H., nutrition education coordinator at the Arthur Ashe Student Health and Wellness Center at the University of California, Los Angeles.
-National Institutes of Health
These people are ALL WRONG and YOU ARE RIGHT?
You obviosly didn't even look where I got some of those websites because some of them are from magazines/websites THAT YOU RECOMMENDED!!!!
Now if it seemed like I was acting like I know everything (which clearly I do not since I needed websites to prove what I was saying) I did not intend to and I apologize. But I don't feel I was. We disagreed about a number. You gave no evidence contrary to my evidence. All you've said is that you're right and I'm wrong. This is not how debates work. You're making this personal which is not helping the person who asked the original question. Lets just agree that a person should not have more than 2,400 mg of sodium.>
Post: Stg:
fine you want evidence? i'm certified by:
ACE
ISSA
AMFPT.
look them up.are you certified in this field by anyone? doubtful,therefore i'm pretty sure you don't know anything no the subject.i based this on the fact that you needed to search websites for your answers whereas i only needed my own personal experience. those people are not SOURCES TO STUDIES,they are just names of people places :roll:
THIS is what proff of STUDIES looks like:
Burke, D., et al. (2001). Int J Sport Nutr Exerc Metab. 11:349.
you got anything that looks like that to prove yourself? let me know.>
Post: Kojiro_Musashi:
:shock: :? :roll: :(>
Post: Stg:
er...i agree. i'm done with this thread. no more flaming coming from me.>
Post: TKDman:
Do you know what a bibliography is, Stg?
Do you know why you can't cite yourself in a bibliography?
Fine, you claim you're certified. Your word isn't hard evidence. If you've got a study that contradicts all of the people I have as evidence fine. Prove it by showing it.
If I have to weigh the word of anonymous person on the internet against the word of several medical institutions and doctors, guess who I'm going with.
Assuming is bad thing to do. I think you know the saying about it. Perhaps I use websites because I don't believe my own word is convincing on the internet. Perhaps my sources are just names of people and places. But they carry more weight than your word because a person can readily look up those sources and determine whether they believe them or not. They can not do the same with your "word". If you have experience you probably didn't come up with it on your own. You probably learned somewhere else everything that you learned. That you are adamantly refusing to give the rest of the world an actual document, text, website, quote or anything of that nature to prove that your are right makes me wonder. I don't have to "prove myself". I made the statement. It is YOUR job to prove me wrong. I have a lot more evidence that is HARD and VERIFIABLE than you do. YOU must prove that my evidence is false/wrong and that your's is right. Think about if this was a trial. The prosecution must PROVE that the defendant is wrong. You don't see a prosecutor go to trial with just his own testimony on the subject. Especially if the defendant has OTHER people testifying contrary to the prosecution.
Btw, your "medical study" as far as i searched has nothing to do with the topic at hand.
This pissing contest is going nowhere. You're not contributing anything to this discussion. If you're not going to follow some sort of coherence in debating me than fine. I have better things to do with my time, and I should hope you do too, since your "certified" in all that stuff.
Jerbo8, take it or leave it, most experts I've found on the subject have recommended that healthy adults consume no more than 2,400 mg of Sodium and consume more than 500 mg. If you believe that Stg is right and I am wrong, so be it. I can't do anything more to change that.
A final word, Stg, no hard feelings. I'm not trying to insult you or your ideas. We disagree on a number and perhaps we should just agree to disagree. I'm willing to extend the olive branch if you're willing to accept it. I hope our debates in the future will be more fruitful than this one.
Peace.>
Post: bamboo:
The question has been answered. Flaming is not doing more than taking up space. If you have a problem, take it to the soundoff forum.
-bamboo>
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